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From "Andrew C. Oliver" <acoli...@nc.rr.com>
Subject Re: [definitely OT] LZW patent [was Re: MathML package structure?]
Date Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:46:17 GMT
Ooops sorry I meant to just send that to stefano.  eez way of topic now.

On Sat, 2002-01-19 at 09:43, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > > I dunno.  Personally I agree with the author of this page, that it
> > > equates to a theorem and I don't think that mathematical laws should be
> > > patentable.  At the very least I think the patents run for way too
> > > long.  US Patent laws were base on the idea that you'd have to build a
> > > big factory and ramp up for production in order to profit from an
> > > invention or sell it to someone who can.  This isn't necessarily the
> > > case for software.  
> > 
> > Oh, here I totally agree! Two years should be plenty to get enough
> > visibility to become big and healthy enough, without stopping everybody
> > else.
> > 
> 
> I guess I can buy that, enough to get compensated.  Which if it was
> worth patenting anyhow shouldn't take so long.  
> 
> > > Next, a 6-12 months cycle can be a lifetime in
> > > software, let alone several years.  I'm a bit leftist on software
> > > patents.  I think they stifle innovation.  I think progress is a
> > > community effort.  We'll have to agree to disagree on the idea of
> > > software patents.
> > 
> > I think that protection of intellectual property is not a bad thing, per
> > se. The concept that 'information wants to be free' is screwed: for the
> > first time in the history of mankind, the marginal cost of copying
> > information is *zero*, not 'low' or 'low for big numbers' but *zero*.
> > This changes the picture a lot (see napster and friends), but doesn't
> > mean that people shouldn't be rewarded for the brainwork they did.
> > 
> > note that *rewarded* doesn't mean 25$ per CD or 3% of your software
> > revenue per 15 years!
> > 
> 
> +1.  The trouble is protecting the little guy from the Microsoft and
> Suns of the world, but I believe oneupmanship and competition is the way
> to do this.  Supposing we were competitors, you come up with an idea, I
> build on it and improve it.  You build on my idea and improve it.  This
> kind of competition causes rapid innovation.  Once again the trouble is
> protecting the little guy from the sharks who can control his access to
> the marketplace.  In the US we don't do this very well anymore.
> 
> > I give away my software and my patents (yes, a few things in Cocoon
> > could be patentable) but I get *rewarded* with respect, fun, knowledge,
> > vibility, better code and new ideas.
> >
> 
> yup thats why I started POI.  The jobs I get paid for are boring work.  
>  
> > And most of these things you can't even buy with money!
> > 
> > the people must understand that 'reward != money'... interesting enough,
> > europeans seem to appreciate this disequation much more than
> > americans... probably because wellfare give europeans benefits without
> > always having to pass thru money exchanges.
> > 
> 
> Hehe, yes someone jokingly told me I couldn't work on Jakarta because I
> wasn't European or from Sun.  :-)
> 
> I've found Europe is a lot more laid back then the US.  People here have
> bought into the "Corporate culture."  Its kinda scary.  
> 
> Of course Europe tends to be very socialist and Socialism gives me a
> nasty rash.  (get a job you bum...oh wait...I don't have one either)
> 
> I'm a capitalist but an anti-corporatist (before too long 3 companies
> will rule the world)
> 
> > ah, well, getting too off topic, I guess :)
> >  
> > > Lastly, from a practical standpoint -- it would be very difficult to
> > > apply them intelligently as you suggest.  Maybe as the economy melts
> > > down, it will get easier.  The truth of the matter is what software guy
> > > who is general enough to understand all of the different kinds of
> > > software patent submissions he gets in and yet smart enough to be able
> > > to understand the more complicated ones would want this kind of boring,
> > > thankless, probably low paying job?  I'd hate to be the guy/gal that
> > > staffs that office.
> > 
> > Yes, but I'd love to be part of an open and meritocratic community of
> > 'patent rejection'. Wound't you?
> > 
> 
> And work in a government building in DC.  No way.  (having nothing to do
> with the possibility of 747s landing on your head).  I've worked in a
> government building before.  Its kinda like being in jail.  Secondly,
> spending all day reading patents would make me nauseous. :-) 
> 
> 
> -Andy
> -- 
> www.superlinksoftware.com
> www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java
> http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html 
> 			- fix java generics!
> 
> 
> The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to
> vote.
> -Ambassador Kosh
> 
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