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From "Gerhard Froehlich" <g-froehl...@gmx.de>
Subject RE: Added Resource Monitor in Cocoon.java
Date Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:27:32 GMT
>From: Sylvain Wallez [mailto:sylvain.wallez@anyware-tech.com]
>
>
>Berin Loritsch a écrit :
>>
>> Sylvain Wallez wrote:
>>

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>>
>> Keep in mind, that I am also working on an asynchronous command structure for
>> Avalon, something that ActiveMonitor, Pools, etc. would all be able to take
>> advantage of.  The basic gist is this:
>>
>> There are a number of maintenance/management tasks that components have to
>> take at periodic times like ActiveMonitor, DataSourcePools, Cache implementations,
>> etc.  The problem is that having a whole thread for control management for
>> each of these items is too heavy, as is performing the maintenance synchronously.
>
>Have you looked at java.util.Timer in JDK1.3 ? AFAIK, it is meant for
>this kind of things.

AIUI it forces for every TimerTaks an own Thread (non Deamon). When you have
many Maintainance Taks you will have large ThreadPool and that would be a
Performance issue again.

The approach here is that you have a queue, in which you put your events and
at the end of this queue there is maybe 1-3 threads which are popping the
events from the queue and hand them over to the corresponding EventHandler.

Therefor you can have so many tasks if you want, but the number of threads
is small...

>> Part of the lessons learned from the Staged Event Driven Architecture is that
>> many times, you only need a small number of threads (in this case, one) to
>> handle _all_ of your management tasks.  The SEDA architecture goes so far as
>> to apply this to all I/O as it is asynchronous in that architecture.  The
>> scalability of the solution is insane.  For instance, a plain HTTP server
>> built on top of the SEDA architecture was able to handle 10,000 simultaneous
>> connections and outperform Apache httpd using IBM JDK 1.1.8 on a Linux box
>> with 4 500 MHz processors and a Gig of RAM.  Apache only made it to about
>> 512 simultaneous connections due to process per user limitations--not to
>> mention several requests took much longer....
>
>I definitely have to read this stuff...

It's quite interesting...

>> I am not proposing the SEDA architecture for Cocoon (although I might examine
>> a simple HTTP implementation that supports Servlets later).....
>>
>> I am proposing the migration towards an infrastructure where maintenance
>> commands can be performed asynchronously--and checking for source file
>> changes is only one of those commands.
>
>We have to identify what are those tasks that need to be done
>periodically and those that don't need it.
>
>I would say that checking configuration file changes doesn't need to be
>done asynchronously, for several reasons :
>- in a production environment, these files aren't likely to change
>often, and thus periodic check is most often a waste of time,
>- in a development environment, people that change these files
>immediately issue a request to check the effect of the change.
>Synchronous (possibly deferred) check is then IMO more adequate.
>
>Cache management, on the contrary, can be considered the other way :
>even in a production environment, periodic asynchronous check effecively
>has something to do, which is purge cache entries associated to changed
>resources. This isn't absolutely needed from a functional point of view
>but allows to free earlier some memory/disk resources that would without
>that have been freed later by the MRU policy.

Be careful, at the end you have for every special case a special solution.
Personally I want something more generic, which fits for the most cases.

>> I am also going to supply a PoolResource implementation in the next version
>> of Excalibur so that we can now *gasp* get the internal information of the
>> Pool implementations of Cocoon's resources!  How about them apples?
>
>Aahh, this would be really great :)
>
>> But you have to start somewhere....
>>
>> >>If you want, I remove this stuff for now, but only for a clean reboot of
this
>> >>issue ;-).
>> >>
>> >
>> > Let's keep it for now, until we decide if this is the right way to go or
>> > not. I will try to spend some time for show-casing the strategy I
>> > proposed, so people can look at both.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Your solution works for the file issue, but the asyncronous maintenance issues
>> are something completely different.
>
>Agree. That's why we have to carefully identify those things that need
>asynchronous management.
>
>BTW, I added a new components.source.DelayedLastModified and updated
>sitemap.Handler to showcase deferred calls to Source.getLastModified().
>Please have a look at it.
>

  Gerhard

"Three o'clock is always too late or too early for
anything you want to do.
(Jean-Paul Sartre)"



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