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From Stefano Mazzocchi <stef...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [OT] Design Rant
Date Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:06:36 GMT
Sam Ruby wrote:
> 
> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> >
> > Hey, look: I repeat it: if it were for me, we'd have Cocoon serving
> > xml.apache.org since 1999 and we'd have a much more stable software
> > because we'd have to deal with our own scalability problems.
> >
> > But there is good news: Covalent dedicated a machine for GUMP
> > (gump.covalent.net) that is a Solaris8 machine with 512Mb of RAM. Sam
> > Ruby is root on that machine.
> >
> > I have an account on that machine now and I'll try to setup both a
> > static and dynamic Forrest system.
> >
> > Then we'll decide what to do (and also, ask Covalent if they want to
> > handle 3 million hits/month from xml.apache.org)
> 
> There is an interesting human dynamic not to be ignored.  If 3 million
> hits/month start going to a Covalent server, the "Apache establishment"
> will want this to moved to something on that is in the apache.org DNS.

Yes, I know this.

> FYI: the root issue is that many feel that apache.org should be on a BSD
> base.  And Sun seems determined to make it difficult to run Java on such
> platforms.  And Apache doesn't seem to want to take on Sun on this issue.
> 
> At least one of those three things needs to change.

Does

 http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=2602 

help?

> >> "Entropy is just a fact of life" IIRC ... but it ain't pleasant.
> >
> > No shit dude. But the right way to fight the system is to slowly destroy
> > their constrains one at a time and without them noticing until you're
> > done.
> >
> > In fact, you guys can enjoy xml.apache.org also because of this attitude
> > of mine.
> >
> > The hard part is the patience: it takes years or daily adjustements....
> > but that's the art of diplomacy, I think.
> 
> Exactly.  First focus should be on demand generation.  The rest will take
> care of itself.

Right. Put the pressure first.

-- 
Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
                          able to give birth to a dancing star.
<stefano@apache.org>                             Friedrich Nietzsche
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