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From Stefano Mazzocchi <>
Subject Re: [Summary] Dreams, RTs and getting the stuff done
Date Thu, 06 Dec 2001 00:13:38 GMT
Steven Noels wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stefano Mazzocchi []
> > Sent: woensdag 5 december 2001 20:16
> > To: Apache Cocoon
> > Subject: [Summary] Dreams, RTs and getting the stuff done
> >
> >
> > I've been having a private conversation from somebody on the list that
> > 'suggested' that we should focus on something and getting it done rather
> > than dreaming on many things and dilute our effort.
> here's 'somebody' - perhaps we should mention that it started off with severe mutual
> misunderstandings & subsequent impoliteness ;-)

Which was later clarified with double-sided apologies :) but had the
result of straighten my attitude a little bit and provide context for
others to jump on my train. Which is a great thing.

> > Stream of Thought #2: The perfect KMS
> > -------------------------------------
> >
> > KMS stands for "knowledge management system". It's a marketing buzzword
> > that indicates systems (mostly targetted for intranet use) that are
> > capable of managing and making available 'corporate knowledge', the
> > company information, in such a way that it's easily created, easily
> > published and easily accessible.
> >
> > A typical KMS is composed of:
> >
> >  1) a front-end
> >  2) a back-end
> >  3) a content-editing system
> >  4) a search engine
> >  5) an administration toolkit
> >
> > the idea is to come up with solid and open software solutions that
> > implement all the above key pieces, then sell the service to glue them
> > together for customer needs.
> >
> > The map between those pieces and existing software is *far* from being
> > accomplished but we are heading in the right direction.
> To conclude our private conversation: a KMS should *at least* be able to facilitate &
> support the cycle you mention above:
>   +->  research ----> develop ---> produce ----> use --+
>   |                                                    |
>   +---------------------- report ----------------------+

Oh, absolutely! I shouldn't remind you that Cocoon started *exactly* to
provide a front-end for our own documentation system on
projects! This KMS is much more than that, but it's indeed something I'd
scream to have to power our own site!

[Imagine editing our docs directly thru our browser and have them
translated in docbook automagically, then have a simple workflow system
that allows us to publish the content directly via web... oh, dear, I
want it soooo bad! :-]

> and as such is likely to have some overlaps with the dream
> mentioned earlier on this list. 

Hmmm, I don't think Berin can overlap with something going on here. I'd
say the opposite: docoport will likely be another service implemented on
top of this KMS uber-project. Berin, am I wrong?

> KM in my perspective is something which can be
> supported by such technology, but is not a technology by its own.

Correct. As I said in a previous email, I want a toolbox, not a finished
and boxed software product. Something that gives me the pieces that I
can compose as my needs request.

This is also a safe business model for this list: by building components
that cannot be sold directly without additional customization work, we
are not going to compete on the software, but on the services, thus
avoiding the creation of commercial friction on this list. (unlike it
happens on projects like GNOME for Ximian involvement)
> By massaging & managing the many carefully crafted but sometimes hard to digest RT's
> into such KM-supporting technology, more people will be able to collaborate better on
> big, beautiful but complicated projects such as cocoon.

Granted and understood. I'll try to coordinate this R&D process in a
more coherent and understandable form. Hopefully, results will pay off
this effort :)

> Jummy... fun times ahead!

I really hope so.
Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
                          able to give birth to a dancing star.
<>                             Friedrich Nietzsche

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