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From Jeff Turner <j...@socialchange.net.au>
Subject Re: Date-specific resources
Date Sun, 02 Dec 2001 08:07:31 GMT
On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 03:33:44PM +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
[..]
> Back to the Cocoon URI-space problem. The URI
> 
>  http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/installing
> 
> "identifies" information about "installing Apache Cocoon" and "locates"
> the latest version of this document.
> 
> If we found valuable (but I do not, having CVS) to create contracts to
> both "identify" and "locate" a specific time-based or version-based
> information inside the Cocoon namespace, we would provide you with that
> contract, but it is *NOT* our fault if you are using one 'identifier' as
> a contract for something else!

Don't be so defensive! I said "I can't rely on this because it will
change". You've replied, "No you can't, and it's your own fault if you
do". Fine; perhaps the text below will convince you that this is a real
problem.

> So, your mod_rewrite solution (or any other solution that maps a
> specific time/version information to the site) would be neede *IF* we
> choosen to provide that information on the web. But again, given the
> ability to obtain that information from CVS, I don't (personally) find
> it of any use since 99% of the people wants the latest information.

Do you *really* think that 99% of users are using the latest Cocoon?

Browse through the cocoon-users archive; there are *plenty* of Cocoon
1.8 installs still out there. I have about 5 of them myself. We have no
plans to move to Cocoon 2.0, because 1.8 works perfectly.

Now one could say "tough luck, losing the docs is one of the costs of
not staying current", but that would demonstrate a disquieting lack of
respect for those with investments in older versions. What is current
today is "old" tomorrow. How can I base my million-dollar system on
Cocoon 2.0, if when Cocoon 2.1 comes along, all trace of Cocoon 2.0
effectively vanishes for those without CVS access? Is there some rule
stating that websites should only be useful for those on the cutting
edge?

Once again, this is a very general problem. Unless someone has a
brilliant suggestion, or everyone is prepared to adopt a versioned-URL +
mod_rewrite solution, we should let it drop.


--Jeff

> -- 
> Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
>                           able to give birth to a dancing star.
> <stefano@apache.org>                             Friedrich Nietzsche

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