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From Sylvain Wallez <>
Subject Re: RT - Tree Traversal Implementation of Sitemaps and XSP
Date Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:23:51 GMT

Peter Royal a écrit :
> At 12:31 PM 10/5/2001 +0200, you wrote:
> >Here I have the feeling we are doing the same mistake over again: the
> >sitemap was compiled when no hotspot tecnique was present and we had to
> >avoid excessive use of esternal recurrent logic when we could "unroll"
> >the tree traversal and let java execute it directly by transforming it
> >in code.
> I think the sitemap is really metadata that configures the cocoon engine.
> So in that respect are we mixing concerns by converting metadata into
> program code?
> I took your previous words about the removal of hotspots and applied those
> to our XSP pages in house. Before I was recreating the same java code
> repeatedly. As an answer to the hotspot issue, I moved the code into a
> separate class file with static methods, just like many of the internal
> logicsheets.
> I mention this because maybe we could apply some of the same techniques to
> the sitemap? Rather than generating a bunch of different methods, etc,
> could we not just compile the sitemap to a bunch of static variables
> (metadata) with method calls to do the actual work? Thus gaining some of
> the benefits of hotspotting? That might provide a migration plan towards a
> more radical design. It might also be
> As more and more people come on board using version 2, we need to protect
> the investment people are making in the current sitemap model. At least
> from the standpoint of providing a seamless transition to what is next, in
> both functionality and brain power required to understand.

The transition is assured by using the same syntax, and I'm not sure it
would have to be changed with an interpreted engine. The only
compatibility break would be for CodeFactory selectors and matchers :
those ones would have to be rewritten as regular components. So I think
an interpreted sitemap engine could integrate smoothly in the current

The problem is different for XSP : the language contains primitives such
as <xsp:page language="xxx">, <xsp:logic>, <xsp:expr>, etc, which are
inherently related to the notion of programming language. I use the same
approach as yours for logicsheets (static methods), which along with
XSP-code size reduction, eases debugging a lot !

There has been recently some long threads about alternatives to XSP,
mostly based on introspection transformers (see also x:forge at Those may be easier to use than XSP (I wish java
had a #LINE directive like good old C compilers to set line numbers in
the generated class files !), but could hardly be as fast because of the
use of introspection.

> I have been enjoying the recent RT threads though. I do appreciate that
> such discussions take place out in the openness of the dev list. Of course
> that is what makes open source software so great :)

Same here, even if time available for OSS isn't as big as I would like
it to be :(


> keep hacking.
> -pete
> --
> peter royal ->
> managing partners, inc. ->

Sylvain Wallez
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