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From "Torsten Curdt" <>
Subject RE: [RT] forms
Date Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:38:05 GMT
> On 18.Jul.2001 -- 04:45 PM, Torsten Curdt wrote:
> > Looking at all the approaches for xml based form handling
> > (including my own ones) I'm not really happy what there
> > is available up to now... 
> There has been a discussion on the user list recently... I would
> prefer to stick as close to XForms as possible.

This not even a proposal but RT... I'm always pro standard! :)

> > Especially multipage forms, error messages and i18n
> > is not addressed in an extensive or sufficient manner.
> Well, I would like to tackle forms in a vew days, but frankly,
> I would reckon multipage forms to be too complex for an initial
> release...

I don't think it will make much sense to try a simple form
first when we don't have an idea which direction to go!

I really think we should find a way for that first...

> [...]
> > And the direct one:
> > 
> > <?xml version="1.0"?>
> > <pages>
> >   <page name="name">
> >     <textbox name="firstname">
> >       <caption><i18n:translate>Firstname</i18n:translate></caption>
> >       <validation nullable="yes"/>
> >     </textbox>
> >     <textbox name="lastname">
> >       <caption><i18n:translate>Lastname</i18n:translate></caption>
> >     </textbox>
> >     <textbox name="email">
> >       <caption><i18n:translate>Email</i18n:translate></caption>
> >       <validation type="string" regexp="^[\d\w][\d\w\-_\.]*@([\d\w\-_]+\.)\w\w\w?$"/>
> >     </textbox>
> >     <textbox name="age">
> >       <caption><i18n:translate>Age</i18n:translate></caption>
> >       <validation type="long" min="4" max="99"/>
> >     </textbox>
> >   </page>
> > </pages>
> This is really not very far from XForms.

I know... ;) But I'd really like to have MVC
mapping of the business objects aka form objects.


> > Now a FormPopulatorAction could populate the values (if it is
> > an object based form). A FormValidationAction could check the
> > values and propose a page to show. A FormTransformer could
> > filter out everything but the correct page and expand the
> > form elements the full introspective.
> I would prefer a "XForms logicsheet" or a "XForms stylesheet" to
> anything else. After all, you will probably want to use it on XSP.

As far as I was teached ;) XSP should be not a lot more than presentation
logic! A XForms Logicsheet would probably put a lot more logic into
the XSP pages than necessary.

> Of course this does not rule out a FormTransformer but I'm not sure
> about a FormPopulator -- a transformer might work as well. But I feel
> that's not within the scope of such a package.

What package should do it then?

So how would you address some of the common problems?

1. making a form stateful (keeping the input of e.g. textboxes and comboboxes)
2. prevent a combobox be filled from the database on each request
3. have a media independent definition of forms
4. i18n of the form label/captions
5. i18n of the comboboxes (they probably need to load their options on change of the locale)
6. the most important thing: multipage form navigation

I'd really like to get rid of the PHP style of form coding...

I'm with you to get this on!

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