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From: Marcelo Ochoa <mochoa@ieee.org>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:58:30 GMT
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Subject: Re: [ot] XSLT pain in the *?
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El 27/2/01, 10.58.42, "Sven Kuenzler" <svenk@tzi.de> escribi=F3 sobre el=
 tema=20
Re: [ot] XSLT pain in the *?:


> Hi Martin,

> > XSLT is very powerful but in real world production the problem I fac=
ed is
> no
> > one want to write stylesheets:

> In your answer, you are adressing two very different problems, I think=
.=20
They
> happen to look alike, because Cocoon is utilizing XSLT in both areas.=


> > - Developers says this is too restrictive, not a real langage and sa=
y=20
it's
> > not their job.
> > Sometimes they agree to write an XSP Logicsheet but they are now rea=
lly
> > angry about writing *a lot* of text (<,>) instead of just writing
> beautiful
> > OO Servlets (yup i know they don't have exactly the same role but..)=
.

> I understood this is an issue that is accepted in the Cocoon community=
.=20
In
> order to reduce the amount of XML content a developer in the "logic
> department" has to write, there were plans to create a special languag=
e,
> named Silly.

> > - Graphists says they don't want to open an editor, but want to stay=
 in
> > Phtotoshop or Dreamweaver.
> >
> > At that point we have decided to drop Cocoon because of this XSL/T
> problems,
> > I personaly thinks XSLT is really useful when you have no other choi=
ce to
> > use it (transform a document in an other) but not useful to create=20=

content
> > until Macromedia or someone else doesn't make an XSL editor for grap=
hist.

> This issue was my original concern: Does anybody know whether there ar=
e
> (Semi-)WYSIWYG-XSLT tools in development? What are the key drawbacks o=
f=20
XSLT
> when your task is
>    - to layout a web site?
>    - to make page "look nice"?
 Look at: http://www.percussion.com/xmlzone/technology.htm
 We are using Dreamweaver for designing our web pages and convert it to =

XML/XSL with Xsplit.
  Xsplit has general tags to be include into the HTML by the designer=20=

which will match with the XML generated by developer.
  There are two different philosophy at this point:
    - Once, design the XML and DTD by the content provider (developer)=20=

and pass this information to the designer to work with Xsplit. Then,=20=

validates the design with the user.
   - Or, Makes the complete design by the designer and makes the XML=20=

examples and DTD which the layout needs. Then, translate this=20
requirements to the content developer for making the program (XSP or DB =

Prism's stored procedures) which generates the expected XML output.
>     Sven....
  Best regards, Marcelo
--=20
Do you know DB Prism look @ http://www.plenix.com/dbprism/
More info?=20
- Chapter 21 =93Profesional XML Databases=94 at Wrox Press=20
(http://www.wrox.com/)
- Chapter 8 =93Oracle & Open Source=94 by O'Reilly (http://www.oreilly.c=
om/)
Marcelo F. Ochoa
Fac. de Cs. Exactas - UNICEN
Paraje Arroyo Seco - Campus Univ.
(7000) Tandil - AR
Tel.: +54-2293-444430
Fax: +54-2293-444431