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From "Paulo Gaspar" <>
Subject RE: [RT] Cocoon Emotional Landscapes - semantic searching
Date Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:55:10 GMT
Hi Stefano,

Cocoon sure can play a very important role there, but it has a lot to
evolve in that direction. The problem is still the lack of easy-to-use 
visual design tools and all those bells and whistles.

Fact is, most of the web designers at my employer do not go that far
on text-editing HTML. Dreamweaver rules there. And I guess we are not
the only ones.

And the fact is that many really good designers in terms of graphic 
look & style are not good at all on the more technical stuff. Still, 
the look of a site is damn important and we can not waste the 
contribution of those guys.

Now, XSLT is hard even for many designers that know HTML well. XSLT is
hard even for some programmers. And there is no good visual tool to 
deal with it. I am not even going to start talking about other stuff.

On the other hand, open standards sell. So:
 - Maybe the big CMS sharks will start this whole "semantic" process
   using open standards like XML, XSLT, RDF and so on;
 - And maybe FrontPage and DreamWeaver will start doing some XSLT and
   even some RDF in order to work together with those CMSs;
 - And then, maybe Cocoon really spreads around because it will be a 
   powerful and free open source CMS that uses those open standards 
   too... which means that people will be able to use those future
   versions of Dreamweaver and FrontPage to cover the "visual design"

Imagine... M$ FrontPage easing the spread of Cocoon!
I am eager to see if that really happens.

I really find it hard to believe that the big sharks will be able to
close the CMS market on proprietary standards. One reason is that the
credibility of most big CMSs is going trough a all time low.

Customers will demand open standards to have a way out when something
goes wrong. (Ok, they will be in deep sh*t anyway, but perception 

So, I am optimist.

Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefano Mazzocchi []
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:47
> Paulo,
> we are in deep resonation and I think it's great.
> I also hope this project can use this vision to pave the yellow brick
> road so that no commercial company becomes the owner of this semantic
> web.
> Imagine a world where a commercial company XXX has 80% of the market for
> these "semantic sites": it would take two seconds for big companies that
> own the web client side (browsers) to buy them and make a parallel
> "semantic browsing experience" proprietary... possibly polluting the
> HTTP protocol and locking in proprietary extensions.
> So, please, add this to your vision: not only Cocoon is based on open
> standards, but it's developped in the open and everybody can have it for
> free and power their systems with it without having to pay a "semantic
> web tax" to a particular commercial company.
> -- 
> Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
>                           able to give birth to a dancing star.
> <>                             Friedrich Nietzsche
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