Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact cocoon-dev-help@xml.apache.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org Received: (qmail 56112 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2000 03:04:45 -0000 Received: from 175-49-22-12.user.darwin.net (HELO relativity.yi.org) (root@12.22.49.175) by locus.apache.org with SMTP; 7 Jun 2000 03:04:45 -0000 Received: from relativity.yi.org (IDENT:root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relativity.yi.org (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27809 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:04:45 -0700 Sender: root@relativity.yi.org Message-ID: <393DBBCD.BC0B7E8F@relativity.yi.org> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 20:04:45 -0700 From: burtonator X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org Subject: Re: Cocoon2 Design WAS: [cocoon 2] removing bottenecks References: <393260C1.E387BB78@apache.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: locus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > I _totally_ agree. Jon is a programmer and Turbine is a > programmer-centric environment and wants to remain as such. While I _do_ > understand Jon's intent, we aim go a much bigger range of action. The only thing within Turbine that applies here are the Turbine screens/layout/etc. If you are a programmer they are great. You can use Turbine without this. For example you get connection pooling, Logging, etc. These were the initial goals, to be the backend of a website, the stuff which requires code anyway. The Screen stuff just confuses the situation :( -- Kevin A Burton (e-mail: burton@apache.org, UIN: 73488596, ZKey: burtonator) http://relativity.yi.org Message to SUN: "Please Open Source Java!" To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting. - Sun Tzu, 300 B.C.