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From "Marcelo F. Ochoa" <moc...@ieee.org>
Subject Re: Is Apache Dead?
Date Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:55:52 GMT
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:

> Neeme Praks wrote:
> >
> > A little epilogue to this thread...
> >
> > Probably people are not following the developments going on in JBoss-dev
> > lists, so I send in here some interesting posts that further reflect the
> > mentality (or confusion, or...) there...
> >
> > In the end however... the discussion still boils down to the fact that
> > they want _recognition_ for their work (natural, of course) and isn't
> > that what Apache "umbrella" would offer?
>
> No. Not exactly. Read my comments below.
>
> > Neeme
> > (Just trying to understand the dynamics of open source better...)
>
> It's like "trying to understand the dynamics of human beings"... a very
> hard thing.
>
> > > Now I'm confused.
> > >
> > > <std-disclaimer type="this is not the opinion of my employer.. etc.">
> > >
> > > There's a new ASP around called ejip.net. The interesting part is that
> > > they are going to use jBoss as server. Now, Telkel (where I and Marc
> > > work) is also going to provide an ASP service which you all can use to
> > > deploy your apps on the web. But instead of just using stuff from
> > > someone else we actually do things to make it, jBoss that is, happen.
> > > AFAIK ejip.net does not have anyone actively helping out here.
> > >
> > > So, one interesting question is: is it fair for someone like them to
> > > take advantage of jBoss - to build their core services on top of - and
> > > not give anything back? In my humble opinion, no. Of course not.
>
> :)
>
> > > Everyone who is working on jBoss currently does so because they
> > > understand that the only way to get this piece of software to be the
> > > best it can be is to work together towards the common goal of
> > > making it
> > > the best thing since sliced bread. By using it without helping the
> > > community that is putting hard work into it to make this happen is to
> > > say "hey cool stuff, sure we'll use it! but we're not gonna help ya
> > > build it 'cause we're too busy doing proprietary stuff around
> > > it". IMHO
> > > of course. Perfectly legal, but not very good manners.
>
> The GNU community is very worried about this trend of ASP/ISP using GNU
> stuff and extending it without giving anything back, even if perfectly
> legal.
>
> The Apache community is not.
>
> why? because it all boils down to this: contribution comes from very
> different things.
>
> Example: www.yahoo.com is based on Apache, www.starwars.com is based on
> JServ, www.eurofootball.com is based on Cocoon.

   Do you know that www.oracle.com is based on Apache?   Try this:

# telnet www.oracle.com 80
GET /index.html HTTP/1.0
\n
\n


>

   Regards, Marcelo.


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