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From "Pat Laplante" <plapla...@vanteon.com>
Subject RE: [wanna laught?] Microsoft invented XML
Date Tue, 16 May 2000 14:00:36 GMT

>Yeah, but using Java server-side (no GUI) using Hot Spot, and it cooks.  >Maybe
>a C++ Cocoon might be faster--but not by enough to justify refactoring >the
>entire
>project.  With Java, you have to design for speed, and it takes careful
>planning--
>but the payoff is worth the effort.

I totally agree with you for server side stuff....

-----Original Message-----
From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:bloritsch@infoplanning.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 9:51 AM
To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
Subject: Re: [wanna laught?] Microsoft invented XML




Pat Laplante wrote:

> >
> > Write-Once-Run-Everywhere is THE THING, and anyone who doesn't get that,
> > should go back and hack C++ on  a dozen Unices.
>
> I agree with the sentence Write-Once-Run-Everywhere.... but I don't agree
> with the "hack C++".  If you hack C++, you are a bad programmer and you
> shouldn't be coding at all.
>
> C++ is fast, you can do what you want with it (and that is the problem).
> Some bad engineer use it badly and it became a hack.
>
> On the other side, Java implement really nice design pattern and concept.
> But the speed of a java app is way too slow.  I am running Java app on a
> PIII 500Mgz and I have the impression of being back on my old Pentium 100.
>
> So Java is nice and clean, but until they improved the speed, it will never
> replace C++ for desktop applications.....

Yeah, but using Java server-side (no GUI) using Hot Spot, and it cooks.  Maybe
a C++ Cocoon might be faster--but not by enough to justify refactoring the
entire
project.  With Java, you have to design for speed, and it takes careful
planning--
but the payoff is worth the effort.

>
>
> Pat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rubys@us.ibm.com [mailto:rubys@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 5:45 AM
> To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [wanna laught?] Microsoft invented XML
>
> Niclas Hadhman wrote:
> >
> > Write-Once-Run-Everywhere is THE THING, and anyone who doesn't get that,
> > should go back and hack C++ on  a dozen Unices.
>
> I agree.
>
> However, I for one don't buy into the dire consequences that many predict
> would occur if Java were open sourced.  Nor do I believe that open source
> is quite the panacea that some would seem to believe.
>
> But I do believe that Java would be available more places, and the JDKs
> themselves would have a few less bugs, if the JDK itself was open source.
> In my mind, these are the two biggest impediments to "WORA".
>
> - Sam Ruby


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