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From Giacomo Pati <>
Subject Re: Cocoon and Jetspeed
Date Wed, 31 May 2000 11:35:32 GMT

Hi all

This is a real intresting thread. Excuse me not beeing that chatty the last days. I am way
back my
schedule. So I have to finish some project papers and specs to make real money.

Now some (hopefully) good news. One of my customers plans to build an intranet app to share
information among several project teams (he calls it a portal but IMO its a publishing site
some searching capabilities). He asked me for help ($$$:). The discussions are going on to
either Jetspeed or Cocoon. I tend to propose Cocoon because it seems more stable that Jetspeed
the moment and also because I've commited to contribute to the Cocoon 2 developement (witch
so much :)

The portlet stuff discussed here interest me because I think to manage personalized portals
Cocoon could be realy easy. As someone mentioned to get the portlet stuff out of Jetspeed
and make
a taglib/generator out of them would not be that painfull.

Giacomo [how had to go back to work and is very unpleased not having the time to stay and

--- Stefano Mazzocchi <> wrote:
> Neeme Praks wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Jetspeed could cache this (if it is cacheable), otherwise it would be
> > highly recommended to put this on some server with _fast_ connection to
> > the Jetspeed server. The benefit would be the possibility to distribute
> > the workload from one side. From the other side, user could code up his
> > own portlet on his homepage and then add this to his personal page...
> > Truly personalized content.
> Again something that Cocoon already does with XInclude (or, at least,
> plans to do in the near future).
> Please, don't get me wrong: I think JetSpeed has great potential to
> become _the_ XML-web-application everyone will use on their web sites
> for both personal and business use.
> On the other hand, I think Kevin is simply following the wrong path that
> leads to merging Turbine and content syndacation, something that I
> consider a hack since Turbine was _not_ designed with this in mind (I
> don't agree with Jon on the orthogonality of the two issues).
> I belive JetSpeed would make the right use of Cocoon2 functionality
> allowing you to concentrate in providing more features to your web-app
> rather than cloning services that Cocoon2 already implements.
> The price for this will be to refactor JetSpeed to base it on the Cocoon
> framework.
> I see this as the only future-compatible solution... otherwise, you
> might well see people tearing apart your project and porting the useful
> pieces over to Cocoon... which will be very sad :/
> -- 
> Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
>                           able to give birth to a dancing star.
> <>                             Friedrich Nietzsche
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