Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact cocoon-dev-help@xml.apache.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org Received: (qmail 36187 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2000 19:39:01 -0000 Received: from london-bridge.east.veritas.com (HELO lmoxch11.nsmg.veritas.com) (207.30.27.2) by locus.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Apr 2000 19:39:01 -0000 Received: by lmoxch11.nsmg.veritas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:39:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: Andy Lewis To: "'cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org'" Subject: RE: Shameless Developer Recruiting Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:39:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Rating: locus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Yep...I keep telling them that my wife's site gets more traffic, and does more work, and runs with virtually no trouble on a sinlge CPU Celeron clone under Linux. But that 's just not the "cooperate" way.... In fairness though, this company does have good reason to use Sun products - we make a lot of software for Sun and done right, we could use it a s a showcase for our products. It's still way too much money though. Andy Lewis VERITAS Software, Heathrow, Florida Voice: 407-531-7584 - Fax: 407-531-7686 - Cell: 407-718-4718 Pager: 4077184718@mobile.att.net - EMail: andy.lewis@veritas.com " Some days, it is best to keep reality at arms length..." -----Original Message----- From: Mark Washeim [mailto:esalon@canuck.com] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 2:46 PM To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org Subject: Re: Shameless Developer Recruiting Sad. I've been at this for six years and with mixed success. However, there is room for optimism. If you can isolate the IT department in question, and they maintain 'distance' from the responsibility (that is, my ass is on the line), they'll buy it. Sigh. Mark >I've been preaching that story here for years. They just moved me to a new >group and spent $650k on their Sun cluster... > >Andy Lewis >VERITAS Software, Heathrow, Florida >Voice: 407-531-7584 - Fax: 407-531-7686 - Cell: 407-718-4718 >Pager: 4077184718@mobile.att.net - EMail: andy.lewis@veritas.com > > >" Some days, it is best to keep reality at arms length..." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Washeim [mailto:esalon@canuck.com] > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 10:23 AM > To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org > Subject: Re: Shameless Developer Recruiting > > > >but I have to tell you: such companies don't have problems >paying 125K$ > >for a Vignette StoryServer licence.... and don't have >problems running > >clusters of huge Sun machines to run the Oracle Application >Server when > >they could spend one tenth using a bunch of PCs + FreeBSD + >Apache + > >JServ. > > > > > This is precisely what I've been proving to large IT >departments in the last > year. They get better ROI and lower TCO with the SAME >resulting facilities > using: > NetBSD > PC Hardware > Java > Apache > JServ. > > And I have much better margins, support (you guys!) and, >even, better TCO > (it's all easier to maintain). > > Now, I have to give more back! > > mark >