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From Andy Lewis <Andy.Le...@NSMG.VERITAS.com>
Subject RE: Shameless Developer Recruiting
Date Mon, 03 Apr 2000 19:39:37 GMT
Yep...I keep telling them that my wife's site gets more traffic, and does
more work, and runs with virtually no trouble on a sinlge CPU Celeron clone
under Linux. But that 's just not the "cooperate" way....

In fairness though, this company does have good reason to use Sun products -
we make a lot of software for Sun and done right, we could use it a s a
showcase for our products. It's still way too much money though.

Andy Lewis
VERITAS Software, Heathrow, Florida
Voice:  407-531-7584  -  Fax:  407-531-7686  -  Cell:  407-718-4718
Pager:  4077184718@mobile.att.net  -  EMail:  andy.lewis@veritas.com
<mailto:andy.lewis@veritas.com> 

" Some days, it is best to keep reality at arms length..."


		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Mark Washeim [mailto:esalon@canuck.com]
		Sent:	Monday, April 03, 2000 2:46 PM
		To:	cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
		Subject:	Re: Shameless Developer Recruiting

		Sad. I've been at this for six years and with mixed success.
However, there
		is room for optimism. If you can isolate the IT department
in question, and
		they maintain 'distance' from the responsibility (that is,
my ass is on the
		line), they'll buy it.

		Sigh.

		Mark

		>I've been preaching that story here for years. They just
moved me to a new
		>group and spent $650k on their Sun cluster...
		>
		>Andy Lewis
		>VERITAS Software, Heathrow, Florida
		>Voice:  407-531-7584  -  Fax:  407-531-7686  -  Cell:
407-718-4718
		>Pager:  4077184718@mobile.att.net  -  EMail:
andy.lewis@veritas.com
		><mailto:andy.lewis@veritas.com>
		>
		>" Some days, it is best to keep reality at arms length..."
		>
		>
		> -----Original Message-----
		> From: Mark Washeim [mailto:esalon@canuck.com]
		> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 10:23 AM
		> To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
		> Subject: Re: Shameless Developer Recruiting
		>
		>
		> >but I have to tell you: such companies don't have
problems
		>paying 125K$
		> >for a Vignette StoryServer licence.... and don't have
		>problems running
		> >clusters of huge Sun machines to run the Oracle
Application
		>Server when
		> >they could spend one tenth using a bunch of PCs + FreeBSD
+
		>Apache +
		> >JServ.
		> >
		>
		>
		> This is precisely what I've been proving to large IT
		>departments in the last
		> year. They get better ROI and lower TCO with the SAME
		>resulting facilities
		> using:
		> NetBSD
		> PC Hardware
		> Java
		> Apache
		> JServ.
		>
		> And I have much better margins, support (you guys!) and,
		>even, better TCO
		> (it's all easier to maintain).
		>
		> Now, I have to give more back!
		>
		> mark
		>

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