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From Andy Lewis <Andy.Le...@NSMG.VERITAS.com>
Subject RE: R:Installing Cocoon [was Re: Documentation update]
Date Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:48:09 GMT
Redmond never seems to be bothered by shipping horrifically flawed
products...I salute you for your integrity!

Andy Lewis
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" Some days, it is best to keep reality at arms length..."


		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:stefano@apache.org]
		Sent:	Monday, February 14, 2000 7:40 AM
		To:	cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
		Subject:	Re: R:Installing Cocoon [was Re:
Documentation update]

		Niclas Hedhman wrote:
		> 
		> Interesse Michelangelo wrote:
		> 
		> > > ----------
		> > > Da:   Stefano Mazzocchi[SMTP:stefano@apache.org]
		> > > Risposta a:   cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
		> > > Inviato:      domenica 13 febbraio 2000 18.25
		> > > A:    cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
		> > > Oggetto:      Re: Installing Cocoon [was Re:
Documentation update]
		> > >
		> > > Niclas Hedhman wrote:
		> > > >
		> > > > I see the benefit for getting people hooked on
Cocoon to have a
		> > > ultrasuper simple
		> > > > setup...
		> > > >
		> > > > Download a tar.gz  (Stefano, I can volunteer for
that) or .zip file into
		> > > a
		> > > > directory.
		> > > >
		> > > > java -jar Cocoon-1.6.2.jar
		> > > >
		> > > > It will bring up the necessary environment and have
the samples
		> > > available
		> > > > straight up. Webserving preferably at 8000 or
commandline, so it doesn't
		> > > > interfere with existing webserver.
		> > > >
		> > > > Now, that would be easy start.
		> > >
		> > > Oh, no, another web server!!! ahhhhh
		> > >
		> > > > Then you can start fooling arond with the settings,
your own SiteMap,
		> > > linking it
		> > > > into Apache Webserver and so on. All the hard stuff!
		> > >
		> > > Let's not be that drastic. Something like that is a
distribution.
		> > >
		> > > Once Tomcat is ready to replace JServ we'll do
something like that but
		> > > not before.
		> > Why to wait till then ??
		> > Is not possible to provide a shortcut for Tomcat-Cocoon
interface ?
		> > I consider it strategic for both of them ;-)
		> >
		> > > Anyway, I want to make it easy, but not _too_ easy ;)
		> 
		> This is not much of a technical issue, as it is a
marketing issue. The
		> Redmondians knows this well... and the only thing they are
really good at.
		> 
		> Make the package with a nice wrapping and easily
accessible, and you have
		> increased your sales by 10x or more.

		That is _exactly_ what I'm concerned about: if we do this
_now_ more an
		more people will use Cocoon and will be bugged by flaws we
already know
		and solutions we already have.... we'll waste our energy
talking and
		writing emails.
		 
		> Just to take the burden off your shoulders, I will, as of
Cocoon 2.0, package
		> an "easy access distro" and you use if you like.

		I'd love this, but _now_ it's not the proper time, that's my
point. Both
		Tomcat and Cocoon are _not_ ready for that kind of prime
time.

		One day, you bet, but now it's a no, no from my side.

		-- 
		Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself
to be
		                          able to give birth to a dancing
star.
		<stefano@apache.org>                             Friedrich
Nietzsche
	
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