Redmond never seems to be bothered by shipping horrifically flawed
products...I salute you for your integrity!
Andy Lewis
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:stefano@apache.org]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 7:40 AM
To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
Subject: Re: R:Installing Cocoon [was Re:
Documentation update]
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>
> Interesse Michelangelo wrote:
>
> > > ----------
> > > Da: Stefano Mazzocchi[SMTP:stefano@apache.org]
> > > Risposta a: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
> > > Inviato: domenica 13 febbraio 2000 18.25
> > > A: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
> > > Oggetto: Re: Installing Cocoon [was Re:
Documentation update]
> > >
> > > Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I see the benefit for getting people hooked on
Cocoon to have a
> > > ultrasuper simple
> > > > setup...
> > > >
> > > > Download a tar.gz (Stefano, I can volunteer for
that) or .zip file into
> > > a
> > > > directory.
> > > >
> > > > java -jar Cocoon-1.6.2.jar
> > > >
> > > > It will bring up the necessary environment and have
the samples
> > > available
> > > > straight up. Webserving preferably at 8000 or
commandline, so it doesn't
> > > > interfere with existing webserver.
> > > >
> > > > Now, that would be easy start.
> > >
> > > Oh, no, another web server!!! ahhhhh
> > >
> > > > Then you can start fooling arond with the settings,
your own SiteMap,
> > > linking it
> > > > into Apache Webserver and so on. All the hard stuff!
> > >
> > > Let's not be that drastic. Something like that is a
distribution.
> > >
> > > Once Tomcat is ready to replace JServ we'll do
something like that but
> > > not before.
> > Why to wait till then ??
> > Is not possible to provide a shortcut for Tomcat-Cocoon
interface ?
> > I consider it strategic for both of them ;-)
> >
> > > Anyway, I want to make it easy, but not _too_ easy ;)
>
> This is not much of a technical issue, as it is a
marketing issue. The
> Redmondians knows this well... and the only thing they are
really good at.
>
> Make the package with a nice wrapping and easily
accessible, and you have
> increased your sales by 10x or more.
That is _exactly_ what I'm concerned about: if we do this
_now_ more an
more people will use Cocoon and will be bugged by flaws we
already know
and solutions we already have.... we'll waste our energy
talking and
writing emails.
> Just to take the burden off your shoulders, I will, as of
Cocoon 2.0, package
> an "easy access distro" and you use if you like.
I'd love this, but _now_ it's not the proper time, that's my
point. Both
Tomcat and Cocoon are _not_ ready for that kind of prime
time.
One day, you bet, but now it's a no, no from my side.
--
Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself
to be
able to give birth to a dancing
star.
<stefano@apache.org> Friedrich
Nietzsche
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