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From Andy Lewis <>
Subject RE: xBug -Reply
Date Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:21:27 GMT
Hi all - I'm new to this list but have been following this thread a bit over
the last few days. I have been using Cocoon 1.5 for several projects -
including a completely new website for VERITAS that will be launching in the
next couple of weeks and a product catalog and shopping cart for another
site. All in all - Cocoon ROCKS!

One of my projects at VERITAS (formerly Seagate Software, formerly Arcada)
was to implement a defect tracking system for our R&D group using Java. I
think it would prove an excellent "showcase" project. If the intent is to
take the technology out for a spin, if you will, would it not be best to
really show what it can do? By that I mean XSP to EJBs, with persistence to
a JDBC source? It just seems to me that a showcase should demonstrate the
power of the tool in the most powerful context....

Just a thought...

On another note - I have been having some significant issues with Cocoon
1.5. I'm hoping that 1.6 will help. I've got about 1000 pages on the site,
and a rather complex XSL. I regularly get out of memory errors and/or Server
Errors when more than a couple of people start hitting the server. The
server is a COMPAQ ProLiant 1600, dual PII 400, 256M RAM, NT 4 SP 5, JRun
2.3.3 Build 155, Sun JDK 1.2.1. I've not seen any of these problems on the
shopping cart site which runs RedHat 6.0, Apache 1.3.6, IBM 1.1.8 JDK, and
JRUN 2.3.3 Build 155. I'm currently migrating the NT environment to a real
platform (Solaris - company won't let me use Linux), but I thought I'd see
if anyone had any suggestions....


Andy Lewis
eBusiness Development Manager
VERITAS Software, Heathrow, Florida
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		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Stefano Mazzocchi []
		Sent:	Friday, January 21, 2000 7:07 AM
		Subject:	Re: xBug -Reply

		Michel Lehon wrote:
		> That would indeed be a wonderful showcase of what Cocoon
and XSP can do.
		> It would also be a good teaching tool for everyone (me
		> +1 (Even if I don't have rights to vote).
		> I hope there will be much most discussions about the
evolution of this
		> project, since it could be used to grow the number of
people 'educated' to
		> the core Cocoon technologies.


		it's _very_ nice for me to see all of you discussing such
things. I also
		love when people come to me saying "I don't know SQL, but
that's no big
		deal", amazing :)

		Why? because it means I was right!!! Cocoon is a framework
to allow
		people that never had the skills or the design patterns to
build a
		data-driven web site to think that with Cocoon the problems
		someplace else... but also, they totally understand that if
you invest
		some time learning such technologies, they will be paying
off forever.

		This whole xBug system is a test, a test to see how ready
Cocoon is to
		do real stuf. Real web applications.

		I was going to propose something like this, but Jeremy had
the right

		The evolution of a framework is not clear and the
project has
		currently three frameworks "cocoon", "turbine" and "avalon".
Cocoon is
		the only one that doesn't have a subproject that works
inside its
		framework... (Turbine has Jyve, Avalon has JAMES)

		So we need one and now that XSP are available, like Ricardo
says, you
		don't need anything else.

		Again, Ricardo is totally right: we need design patterns on
how to build
		xml web apps using Cocoon. And these can be defined only
when you test
		it on a real life system. The bug database is simple enough
to be
		handled in a short time and it might well indicate some
design flaws
		when Cocoon builds something more than a page.

		Also, we need to define some "WAR equivalents, some much
like the
		Servlet API 2.2 does, but inside Cocoon. A way to deploy and
		your web application without too much effort. I'll be open
to all
		suggestions in this field.

		All right, people. Let's this what this baby can do :)

		Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself
to be
		                          able to give birth to a dancing
		<>                             Friedrich
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