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From "Lee, Seungwon (398K)" <>
Subject Re: Retirement?
Date Mon, 13 Jun 2016 02:16:57 GMT
We have not had a chance to have a group discussion. I'm on vacation till June 24th. After
I get back, we will discuss and let you know. We might contact you if we have any questions.
By the way, PI means principal investigator. 

-- Seungwon Lee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2016, at 5:53 PM, John D. Ament <> wrote:
> Has a resolution to this occurred? I'm not sure what the PI of this project means.
> John
>> On 2016-06-06 19:09 (-0400), "Pan, Lei (398K)" <> wrote:

>> Ok. We will discuss this more when the PI of this
>> project returns from her business trip.
>> Thanks,
>> -Lei
>>> On 6/4/16, 3:10 AM, "Ted Dunning" <> wrote:
>>> Lei,
>>> This is pretty similar to what has been said before.
>>> It sounds like there are very strong and natural pressures and social
>>> structures that make it hard to really conduct development in the open. It
>>> may well be that conducting the development the way it has been going in
>>> the past (i.e. not on the mailing list) is more natural and efficient than
>>> conducting the development in the Apache style.
>>> As such, it might really be better to embrace that alternative development
>>> style. Just going ahead and saying that this is a research group project
>>> might be a better thing that trying to force the project into an unnatural
>>> Apache style.
>>> As Chris mentions, not all projects should be Apache projects. For many
>>> projects, trying to do work in the Apache style is actually a bad thing
>>> rather than a good thing.
>>> To me, it really sounds like this is one of those cases.
>>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Pan, Lei (398K) <>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Chris:
>>>> I agree that we need to put more effort in
>>>> ³getting the Apache way.² Since meeting with
>>>> Michael Joyce, we have made some progress.
>>>> Some project emails were copied to this mailing
>>>> list, although recently we lost that momentum.
>>>> We have created 17 issues on the JIRA tracking
>>>> system, among them 6 are closed, 3 are resolved,
>>>> and 8 are open. We will being using JIRA more.
>>>> Regarding the monthly report, I am working on
>>>> this month¹s. For last month, I have collected
>>>> a partial list of accomplishments and we used
>>>> this JIRA issue:
>>>> for the draft. We were late, but then were
>>>> told that ³no report is required this month.²
>>>> So I did not publish a final report to the wiki.
>>>> I apologize for that, and if it still makes
>>>> a difference I can make it up for last month.
>>>> A real challenge to CMDA is how to build a
>>>> community, with outside developers joining
>>>> the effort. One idea is to bring in summer
>>>> students from Caltech or other universities.
>>>> We are going to do it this summer. For a user
>>>> community, we will use this August¹s JPL-Caltech
>>>> climate summer school to find more users.
>>>> We will make our best efforts to use this
>>>> mailing list more. Any ideas/suggestions on
>>>> how to build a community is more than welcome!
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Lei
>>>> On 6/3/16, 7:02 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)"
>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>> As a mentor for the project, I can¹t help but notice the following:
>>>>> 1. Lack of submitting reports (we are now 2 months behind after
>>>>> missing many reports before that)
>>>>> 2. An inclination to conduct work outside of Apache and to instead of
>>>>> conducting work here at the ASF, to push large amounts of work, or
>>>>> summaries here as a necessity/requirement, instead of as the lifeblood
>>>>> for the project.
>>>>> 3. Lack of discussion and/or context around where the project is going.
>>>>> I don¹t think this is a judgement against anyone that participated in
>>>>> wanting to bring the project here to Apache - but more-so - some
>>>>> projects just never seem to get the Apache way for whatever reason.
>>>>> Perhaps it¹s not the way you are used to operating, and it¹s too
>>>>> difficult for you to change your current ways, etc.
>>>>> I¹ve seen a lot of threads on this list, and/or else-where, and I
>>>>> myself along with Michael Joyce have sat down in person at JPL and
>>>>> elsewhere trying to meet with folks in CMDA to explain Apache to
>>>>> the CMDA PPMC, but I just don¹t really see a change in behavior.
>>>>> We need to be realistic in whether or not Apache is the right place
>>>>> for CMDA as an open source community. So I¹m starting this thread
>>>>> to discuss that. Apache has an ³Attic² where projects can retire,
>>>>> if there is lack of community here at the ASF. The code can still
>>>>> be forked/worked on elsewhere in accordance with our license.
>>>>> Is that what is needed here?
>>>>> Chris
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>>>>> Chief Architect
>>>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>>>>> Email:
>>>>> WWW:
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