From users-return-30991-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@cloudstack.apache.org Tue Jul 17 14:01:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DE0B180600 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2018 14:01:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30586 invoked by uid 500); 17 Jul 2018 12:01:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@cloudstack.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: users@cloudstack.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list users@cloudstack.apache.org Received: (qmail 30566 invoked by uid 99); 17 Jul 2018 12:01:42 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd2-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:01:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd2-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd2-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 493391A120B for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:01:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd2-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.969 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.969 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd2-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=exoscale-ch.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mx1-lw-eu.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd2-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qT_VXdb8e3Fy for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lf0-f53.google.com (mail-lf0-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by mx1-lw-eu.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-eu.apache.org) with ESMTPS id C8BDB5F181 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf0-f53.google.com with SMTP id u202-v6so634461lff.9 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2018 05:01:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=exoscale-ch.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=0MwHYzPnIWwZe97l6EK50cohnhRTllhPcZG5lLOTGYo=; b=VjaWkMe9YTGid+n1szIFQigWncCiqOPKrUJOUKCPMztOQOrHmmUfcNgtyneKm1w8S+ zaqVhbX9PAmLOQyprRBcbf4+V9lnKylCp0I8KiPQq5gwWfC58djv0U+CC8JC5wTZRb+a VkKq2v/GeUuk0rD1i3nTjEMV7PJlPkJ4GZxKxmr1VTL3VZRKoT/Pygw/T54c6wVgVvYd 0tB7Mzv5c6AEIgNpBA+rkf9qOZka3hnn6+aCoCWJP72If9dAQ/PQWjYnM4LBiWm39aL0 74f+NQ2mAabpgofqunpKo10Q1aA/b3MQQBd02gnRZB4Kw9hfGfPCV3mpcARXz3qQ9ZmT IqPw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0MwHYzPnIWwZe97l6EK50cohnhRTllhPcZG5lLOTGYo=; b=UElntrzBktgtIK7nAj4ZVQbddHtjLRXYzcZnBvAFEQrq4H6CydD6Ud4znpILaYnPiO vT4r3X8Ikp8qkDi2MVmxfR+FXoHdUXpIGVUDQN14+HDBDIMTu3XEHLfqsRzEq8kW2XJe 6EB+mgmGUpG7dC08U7T+kMIJSM/wvhVObqHZcaBH0VybevOQ8vSC/cpC28Hy0iQ8Ahot Q6zpW3zPG8Eqs4YLez/8CZHGdjpstphLbHyFJ8L2h6sxBMRgjzagcQpuL3xwkKdQOcum EKJ6SbStDngfHW6kV9DXgH6MF+hX/cEwy89dMeMQA0XD1Vcv0JDeGQSWv4oSro0Je8Fe k4uw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlEhJvedmgsdChDvtoGbSm2XE8KBPx7D8Zvqp7+VRhn6hdkVD5mh ZRzdndQMhFUCz0vrZ2uSt6va0BQ4Sk26qoI1pi6oSVU0QLQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpduS1+UtldmUyDOUJylbq4XW3xarZ6uxVZL0tekJHA4lKV7Uzx0zCwewe82AU4igkPXJQnrWieC0jIH/ezetvs= X-Received: by 2002:a19:7b08:: with SMTP id w8-v6mr1094627lfc.22.1531828896117; Tue, 17 Jul 2018 05:01:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab3:6307:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2018 05:01:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Marc=2DAur=C3=A8le_Brothier?= Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 14:01:35 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Github Issues To: Cloudstack Users List Cc: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000035cf10057130b549" --00000000000035cf10057130b549 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Paul, My 2 cents on the topic. people are commenting on issues when it should by the PR and vice-versa > I think this is simply due to the fact that with one login you can do both, versus before you had to have a JIRA login which people might have tried to avoid, preferring using github directly, ensuring the conversation will only be on the PR. Most of the issues in Jira didn't have any conversation at all. But I do feel also the pain of searching the issues on github as it's more free-hand than a jira system. At the same time it's easier and quicker to navigate, so it ease the pain at the same time ;-) I would say that the current labels isn't well organized to be able to search like in jira but it could. For example any label has a prefix describing the jira attribute type (component, version, ...) Then a bot scanning the issue content could set some of them as other open source project are doing. The bad thing here is that you might end up with too many labels. Maybe @resmo can give his point of view on how things are managed in Ansible (https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pulls - lots of labels, lots of issues and PRs). I don't know if that's a solution but labels seem the only way to organize things. Marc-Aur=C3=A8le On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Paul Angus wrote: > Hi All, > > We have been trialling replacing Jira with Github Issues. I think that > we should have a conversation about it before it become the new standard = by > default. > > From my perspective, I don't like it. Searching has become far more > difficult, categorising has also. When there is a bug fix it can only be > targeted for a single version, which makes them easy to lose track of, an= d > when looking at milestones issues and PRs get jumbled up and people are > commenting on issues when it should by the PR and vice-versa (yes I've do= ne > it too). > In summary, from an administrative point of view it causes a lot more > problems than it solves. > > I yield the floor to hear other people's opinions... > > > Kind regards, > > Paul Angus > > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com > www.shapeblue.com > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK > @shapeblue > > > > --00000000000035cf10057130b549--