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From Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
Subject RE: Now that Oracle is collecting for the use of Java, should we worry?
Date Mon, 26 Dec 2016 19:37:10 GMT
AFAIK we only use openJDK rather than Oracle Java where it is contained within system VMs,
and as a few have mentioned before ewe don't distribute Java at all in the mgmt. server or
KVM agent, instead we make OpenJDK a dependency during install.

There are some people looking at the hardcoding of OpenJDK that we have in the codebase, so
that users can choose to use Oracle Java if they so wish.



Kind regards,

Paul Angus

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-----Original Message-----
From: Rafael Weingärtner [mailto:rafaelweingartner@gmail.com] 
Sent: 26 December 2016 11:12
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Now that Oracle is collecting for the use of Java, should we worry?

You are right Tim; I had forgotten the System VM. For system VMs, we could use OpenJDK distribution,
but this is something that has to be discussed and well-studied.

Thanks for sharing this Felipe and Tim.

On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Felipe Arturo Polanco < felipeapolanco@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here is the link
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_
> java_users_non_compliance/
>
> On Dec 25, 2016 9:30 PM, "Tim Mackey" <tmackey@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Rafael Weingärtner < 
> > rafaelweingartner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I think the point here is that we do not redistribute Oracle Java JDK.
> We
> > > use the Java programming language to write a program (the Apache 
> > > CloudStack). When we distribute the ACS' binaries, e.g. a closed
> version,
> > > we are also not redistributing the Java, what we do is 
> > > distributing a binary that is compiled with a Java JDK.
> > >
> >
> > For the management server, I believe that to be correct. The system 
> > VMs
> may
> > not be so clean, and that's more my concern here. I'm happy to have 
> > that concern unfounded. This is a topic we're working through at 
> > $dayjob, so front of mind for me right now.
> >
> >
> > > Of course, we cannot forget the licenses for library binaries that 
> > > we
> are
> > > redistributing with ACS' versions; but, this is not the same as 
> > > redistributing Oracle Java JRE/JDK. And as far as I know we manage 
> > > this properly.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 11:13 PM, Tim Mackey <tmackey@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Would be good to have a reference too. The only thing I'm aware 
> > > > of
> > which
> > > > might impact us relates to any redistributed elements[1]. It 
> > > > would
> be a
> > > > question for the dev list to know if this does indeed impact the
> > project.
> > > >
> > > > -tim
> > > >
> > > > [1] http://blog.takipi.com/running-java-on-docker-youre-
> > > breaking-the-law/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Rafael Weingärtner < 
> > > > rafaelweingartner@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Could you share with us the reference? So we can have a bit 
> > > > > more information to discuss it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe what they charge is for consulting, and not for the 
> > > > > use
> of
> > > Java
> > > > > language per se.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 10:57 PM, Felipe Arturo Polanco < 
> > > > > felipeapolanco@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I read in the news Oracle is collecting from companies using

> > > > > > Java
> > > > > libraries
> > > > > > in commercial uses, since Cloudstack uses Java for its
> operations,
> > > > should
> > > > > > we worry about it?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Rafael Weingärtner
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rafael Weingärtner
> > >
> >
>



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Rafael Weingärtner
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