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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 20:52:38 -0500
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Subject: Re: or website
From: Ian Rae <irae@cloudops.com>
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Yep thanks Will. As a formerly-quite-technical founder I'm always amazed at
the difference between what is actually true and what the market perceives.
Cloud computing as a whole suffers greatly from this challenge (primarily
thanks to "cloud washing"). Sometimes I refer to CloudStack as the dark
matter of cloud computing, vitally important but not too easy to detect
with all the other heat and light happening. There is a big opportunity in
making it more accessible, that said it doesn't mean we have to compromise
on what it is.

On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Will Stevens <wstevens@cloudops.com> wrote:

> I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording
> completely.  I think he was saying that we could supplement that message
> with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the valu=
e
> proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
>
> Will
>
>
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> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <
> sallykhudairi@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > NOT SO FAST.
> > Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
> > Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
> > "The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linu=
x
> > professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring
> > managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a
> major
> > impact on their hiring decisions..."
> >
> > So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing"=
,
> > but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and
> related
> > campaigns/taglines.
> > Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complet=
e
> > overhaul.
> > Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
> > Cheers,Sally
> >       From: Ian Rae <irae@cloudops.com <javascript:;>>
> >  To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> users@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>; "
> > marketing@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> >  Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
> >  Subject: Re: or website
> >
> > Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only information=
al
> > and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter.
> But I
> > think there is a greater purpose.
> > I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but
> > communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to
> some
> > extent aligns the community itself.
> > So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally
> attractive
> > design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of
> the
> > community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem
> does
> > CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way
> the
> > market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that
> works
> > out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgrade=
d
> > for long term supportability).
> > Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing".
> I'm
> > not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to op=
en
> > source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what i=
t
> > did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services
> seems
> > to be "cloud").
> > Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersec=
t
> > with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack mor=
e
> > accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to
> the
> > community.
> > Ian
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebastien,
> >
> > I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the
> > gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archai=
c
> > svn :)
> >
> > I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages
> > branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based
> > website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be
> > built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for
> non-master
> > branches)? I=E2=80=99ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is=
 hosted on
> > Github and uses Jekyll.
> >
> > > On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with
> today's
> > website and does not portray our project in a good way.
> > >
> > > I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our
> > repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> > > It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> > >
> > > And it builds:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> > >
> > > I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF roo=
t
> > repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> > > That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of
> > using svn or the apache CMS.
> > >
> > > Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at =
a
> > modern design for cloudstack ?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > -sebastien
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rohit Yadav
> > Software Architect, ShapeBlue
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> >
> >
> >
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