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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 23:10:21 +0000 (UTC)
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Yep: I wholly agree :^)=C2=A0Thanks again, Will!
Warmly,
Sally
      From: Will Stevens <wstevens@cloudops.com>
 To: Sally Khudairi <sk@apache.org>=20
Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>; "marketing=
@cloudstack.apache.org" <marketing@cloudstack.apache.org>; "dev@cloudstack.=
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No risk of bikeshedding.=C2=A0 We are all working in the same direction. =
=C2=A0:)
This thread has the tall order of trying to align the technical improvement=
 of how we actually manage and deliver the website as well as making it eas=
ier for us to better market the strengths of ACS.=C2=A0 This is not always =
easy because the people in the best position to add the marketing flare are=
 usually not the same people who actually maintain the technical implementa=
tion of the site. =C2=A0
All constructive feedback is helpful in this process. =C2=A0:)
Will


On Mar 5, 2015 4:56 PM, "Sally Khudairi" <sk@apache.org> wrote:

Thanks, Will.
Right: I got that. I just wanted to make sure that we remain objective with=
 our introspection.
I'll step aside now for fear of triggering semantic bikeshedding. Feel free=
 to ping if you need anything from the ASF side.
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sers@cloudstack.apache.org" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>=20
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I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording compl=
etely.=C2=A0 I think he was saying that we could supplement that message wi=
th some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value pr=
oposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
Will

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On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <sallykhudairi@yahoo.com.inv=
alid> wrote:

NOT SO FAST.=C2=A0
Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
"The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux pr=
ofessionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring managers =
say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major impact on=
 their hiring decisions..."

So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing", bu=
t perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related c=
ampaigns/taglines.
Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete ov=
erhaul.
Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
Cheers,Sally=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: Ian Rae <irae@cloudops.com>
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=C2=A0Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
=C2=A0Subject: Re: or website

Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational a=
nd logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I =
think there is a greater purpose.
I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but communi=
cates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some extent=
 aligns the community itself.
So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive =
design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the=
 community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem doe=
s CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way t=
he market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that wo=
rks out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgrade=
d for long term supportability).
Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm =
not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open s=
ource and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it did=
 in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems to =
be "cloud").=C2=A0
Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect wi=
th renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more acce=
ssible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the com=
munity.
Ian
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com> wr=
ote:

Hi Sebastien,

I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the gh-=
pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic svn :=
)

I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages bra=
nch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based website =
since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be built automati=
cally by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master branches)? I=
=E2=80=99ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on Githu=
b and uses Jekyll.

> On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's =
website and does not portray our project in a good way.
>
> I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our repo=
, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> And it builds:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root re=
po but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of usin=
g svn or the apache CMS.
>
> Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a mo=
dern design for cloudstack ?
>
> thanks,
>
> -sebastien

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