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From Tomasz Zięba <t.a.zi...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Xenserver and CEPH ?
Date Tue, 25 Nov 2014 07:29:11 GMT
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Regards,
Tomasz Zięba

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25 lis 2014 02:06 "Nux!" <nux@li.nux.ro> napisał(a):

> Slightly pissed at the "switched to Openstack" remark.
> Using Openstack as a means to "force/suggest" new features into ACS is
> silly. I also want KVM snapshotting to happen, but I think there are more
> important things to fix first.
>
> In my personal view, I wish ACS stopped completely development on new
> features for a while and made the current features rock solid.
>
> I know we need new features to keep developers happy who would otherwise
> slit their veins from boredom, but I personally do not care that much for
> S3 compatibility or SDN or what not. When my deployment will be large
> enough to need that I'll probably have enough money to develop them myself
> (and contribute them back).
>
> Most people do not need FreeIPA or who knows what other bells and whistles.
> I do like Openstack, I know & like some people involved with it and I
> use(d) it (was even a mod on the RDO forum), but I don't want the bloody
> kitchen sink in my servers. I want peace of mind and reliable services for
> my customers who also don't give a rat's arse about said features; all they
> want is their application or site to work 24/7.
>
> Personally I want everything that we have NOW fixed, polished; usage stats
> working (with SG zones), proper backup and restore of volumes, security
> groups finalised (hello IPv6, it's almost 2015!), no silly GUI mistakes or
> typos in new releases and so on.
>
> Competing with Openstack head on is a dead end, stop chasing! Everybody
> pushes all sorts of stuff into it which takes a lot of time, effort and
> money to get working, if at all.
> Average Joe will not use that in production, just like he won't use
> Gentoo, Fedora or Archlinux in production, it sucks; you use battle tested
> stuff like CentOS or Ubuntu LTS.
>
> For Average "IT manager" Joe to be capable of using Openstack in
> production companies like Mirantis or eNovance need to take their time,
> freeze it, slow it the fsck down, polish it, decide which features can't be
> used actually (many, I bet!), package it in a sexy wrapping and then put it
> up for sale (or download).
>
> Basically they'll have to build a Cloudstack. We're already there! Sort of
> ... :-)
>
> /rant
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Outback Dingo" <outbackdingo@gmail.com>
> > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 22:15:40
> > Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ?
>
> > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Nov 24, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Andrei Mikhailovsky <andrei@arhont.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Yes, agree! Proper snapshotting is a must and an essential part of the
> >> cloud in my world. Having this feature broken in KVM for many years is a
> >> big blow to CloudStack in my opinion.
> >> >
> >> > I am already seeing on blogs and mailing lists people switching to
> >> OpenStack because of this problem.
> >>
> >
> > there are many aspects of which cloustack is loosing ground fast to
> > openstack. Even Ive moved away from CS due to deficiencies such as the
> NFS
> > as secondary being required, vague support for open source SDN such as
> > opendaylight, is another
> > while CS is nice and quite easy to install, and get working, and being a
> > big XEN fan, CS made it clean and simply to deploy, however, it does lack
> > some of the higher end features and configuration aspects that are found
> in
> > openstack. Now while I
> > also find openstack to be very KVM aligned, as it requires a client be
> > installed on XEN, where CS doesnt, Openstack has moved well ahead in
> > storage and networking options, not boxing me in to high cost commercial
> > solutions. I will credit CS people
> > for great support in the past years over IRC, though lately even that
> seems
> > waning, as as such there also seems to be more "commercial" support for
> > openstack with the likes of mirantis, ibm, hp and others pushing turn key
> > distros, open source some at that.
> > I did love the simplicity of CS and XEN as a configuration, but felt the
> > lacking in areas of "integration" with other technologies. Even openstack
> > is working to integrate the freeIpa system, and opendaylight into the
> > options, and it works well with ceph, gluster,
> > and other storage systems. CS is simple, and in being that, they are
> > loosing ground fast to the expansive capabilities openstack is offering
> > with their latest release. I wish CS would expand their horizons a bit,
> and
> > not appear so short sighted and narrow minded
> > when it came to its offerings and integration. I know if I was running
> the
> > product line currently I would be aligning CS with all the technologies
> > becoming available, especially Software defined networking, and software
> > defined storage. CS is great, but requires
> > a larger feature set, more integration and further vision on trending
> > technologies, yet it is just damn simple to install CS and XEN...... a
> big
> > win there for CS, though Fuel and Helion appear to be quickly closing
> that
> > gap.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Can you send links, I am curious !
> >>
> >> thxs
> >>
> >> > I hate to see people leaving CloudStack as I think it's fantastic
> >> project and a really great community!
> >> >
> >> > Andrei
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >
> >> >> From: "Andrija Panic" <andrija.panic@gmail.com>
> >> >> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> >> >> Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 8:33:56 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ?
> >> >
> >> >> So no CEPH support fot Xen, and no VM snapshot for KVM.
> >> >
> >> >> So, should I shoot my self with gun or with the pistol, that is the
> >> >> question now :)
> >> >
> >> >> thx folks
> >> >
> >> >> On 24 November 2014 at 18:01, Adrian Lewis
> >> >> <adrian@alsiconsulting.co.uk>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> From what I've read there won’t be support for Ceph in Creedence
> >> >>> (Xenserver
> >> >>> 6.5) but it is on the cards for the following release (as should
> >> >>> NFSv4 and
> >> >>> a
> >> >>> Centos 7 dom0). There's a blog post from Tim Mackey at:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> http://xenserver.org/discuss-virtualization/virtualization-blog/entry/beyond-creedence-xenserver-2015-planning.html
> >> >>>
> >> >>> and a Youtube video with a few updates here:
> >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFUkEfpXaQ
> >> >>>
> >> >>> All looks promising but I'm impatient :-(
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.panic@gmail.com]
> >> >>> Sent: 24 November 2014 15:08
> >> >>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> >> >>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> THx Vadim - yes, I'm already using KVM with ceph for some time
-
> >> >>> works fine
> >> >>> more or less :) thx
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:52, Vadim Kimlaychuk
> >> >>> <Vadim.Kimlaychuk@elion.ee>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> XenServer 6.5 (or 7.0) is not released yet. You can download
> >> >>>> alpha of
> >> >>>> next release and try it, but it is definately not for production.
> >> >>>> I
> >> >>>> haven't personally tried it because Cloudstack does not support
> >> >>>> RBD
> >> >>>> storage type for XenServer yet. So you are absolutely right
--
> >> >>>> first
> >> >>>> we need to wait for XenServer to release then we need to wait
for
> >> >>>> Cloudstack to implement those changes at backend.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I have used Ceph with KVM hypervisor for a short while. There
> >> >>>> were
> >> >>>> some points that I was not aware, but in general it worked
well.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Vadim.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.panic@gmail.com]
> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:22 PM
> >> >>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> >> >>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> HI Vadim, thanks for info. That is what I understood = but
the
> >> >>>> new
> >> >>>> XenServer 6.5 or whatever the name, shoudl be using kernel
3.10.x
> >> >>>> for
> >> >>>> dom0, so I guess even after that is supported, we will need
to
> >> >>>> wait
> >> >>>> some time for the CloudStack implementation on this ?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks anyway
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:00, Vadim Kimlaychuk
> >> >>>> <Vadim.Kimlaychuk@elion.ee>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Hi Andrija,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> For XenServer 6.2 it is not possible yet. Look for supported
> >> >>>>> SR-s
> >> >>>>> here:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> http://docs.vmd.citrix.com/XenServer/6.2.0/1.0/en_gb/reference.html#ck
> >> >>>> _reference_storage_repository_types
> >> >>>>> Somewhere in internet I saw information that RBD support
is
> >> >>>>> scheduled for the next major XenServer release. Can't find
the
> >> >>>>> link
> >> >>>>> right away.
> >> >>>>> The problem connected to Ceph + RBD as primary storage
for
> >> >>>>> XenServer is old dom0 kernel that does not allow RBD storage
> >> >>>>> type.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Vadim.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.panic@gmail.com]
> >> >>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:06 PM
> >> >>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> >> >>>>> Subject: Xenserver and CEPH ?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Hi guys,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> anyone running ZenServer with CEPH as primary storage ?
> >> >>>>> I read some info that there is support for CEPH inside
> >> >>>>> XenServer
> >> >>>>> from last year - but since I never actually tried this
- thus
> >> >>>>> the
> >> >>>>> question.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> --
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Andrija Panić
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Andrija Panić
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Andrija Panić
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >> >> --
> >> >
> >> >> Andrija Panić
> >>
>

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