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From: "Musayev, Ilya" <imusayev@webmd.net>
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Subject: RE: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
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Sebastien,

Agreed with all your comments, joining the cloudstack-marketing list now.

BTW, I could mention that we are cloudstack user - and I did updated the pa=
ge of "Who is using CloudStack", I just cant put the company logo - due to =
legal reasons.

In my world, anything that has to go through legal is like throwing a reque=
st into a deep hole - and pray that at somepoint the request comes back and=
 when it does.

Regards
ilya=20


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From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]=20
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To: Musayev, Ilya
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Subject: Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED


On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:47 PM, "Musayev, Ilya" <imusayev@webmd.net> wrote:

> To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major=
 flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing w=
e want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely =
used.
>=20
> I'm not  Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
>=20
> We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm =
not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for=
 OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach =
of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not =
many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up pay=
ing for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We=
 need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
>=20
> For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I =
can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS =
is a better fit.
>=20
> Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future jo=
b opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, st=
able and feature rich.
>=20
> Here is how I propose we fix this:
>=20
> For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with cont=
ributors.
>=20
>=20
> 1)      Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media =
attention
>=20
> a.       Gather list of ideas
>=20
> b.      Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what c=
an be done better
>=20
> c.       Pick the best voted ideas
>=20
> d.      Assign the duties and roles
>=20
> e.      Conquer - one at a time
>=20
> f.        Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use =
existing means and other social media
>=20

This is great, I just want to point out that we have talked about a few of =
these items already:

They already exist (from prior Apache move) and we talked about it:
http://markmail.org/thread/p3awdls6khvvtyzk

All videos from CCC have been posted at:
http://www.youtube.com/diycloudcomputing


> g.       Blog with SEO in mind
>=20
>=20
>=20
> 2)      Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on=
 youtube and other video sites
>=20
> a.       Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
>=20
>                                                               i.      Bas=
ic ACS POC setup
>=20
>                                                             ii.      Sett=
ing up ACS  in corporate environment with strict compliance
>=20
>                                                            iii.      Host=
ing environment
>=20
>                                                           iv.      Develo=
pment Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues an=
d how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how b=
ug X was fixed
>=20
>=20

I have asked for screencast/demo at:
http://markmail.org/thread/j4dv4wt2xkhqv73v

>=20
> b.      Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other=
 offerings - again video preferred but text will do
>=20
>                                                               i.      Sho=
w how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and Ir=
onFoundry (windows PaaS),  Chef and SpaceWalk and others
>=20
>=20
>=20
> 3)      Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I c=
an help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the =
moment
>=20
> a.       We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and ne=
tworks that can help newcomers
>=20
> b.      Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki  - any =
 documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than =
none
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> 4)      Host local user group meet ups

Personnally, I attend and speak at JUG in France/Geneva region. I was just =
at the Grenoble JUG last week and I am heading to Edinburgh JUG in March 27=
.

>=20
> a.       Show CS and help others
>=20
>=20

This is what we try to do with buildacloud.org (former cloudstack.org):
http://buildacloud.org/blog/202-bacd-ghent-summary-and-slides.html

My question to all the CloudStack users reading this is how can we get all =
of you to speak out about your deployments.
Write a blog describing your use case, how you use CloudStack and why you l=
ove it ?

Not to pick on you Ilya, but If I google for "cloudstack webmd" it only ret=
urns links to the mailing list. So what prevents you from writing about how=
 you use CloudStack ? What can we do as a community to get you to write abo=
ut CloudStack ?


>=20
> 5)      Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with th=
em to have easy integration and cross functionality
>=20
> a.       RedHat with OpenShift PaaS

As an example, see my podcast with redhat during FOSDEM where I reach out t=
o delta cloud:
http://cloudevangelist.org


>=20
> b.      IronFondry
>=20
> c.       Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
>=20
> d.      Become part of major distributions

There was also a thread on this:
http://markmail.org/thread/3nm2g7elvoxek7ga

>=20
> e.      Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
>=20
>=20

Momentum is building, at least in France it's picking up nicely:
http://ies.ikoula.com/cloud-prive


>=20
> *         Next Steps to make this happen:
>=20
> o   Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills an=
d desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have e=
nough experience with CS, we can use your help!
>=20
> o   Set the time for regular IRC meeting
>=20
> o   Help lead this effort as well as participate
>=20
>=20
> Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword=
 players - because we are truly better.
>=20
> Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, pleas=
e feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me direct=
ly.
>=20
> Thanks
> ilya

The bottom line to me is very simple:
We need everyone on this list to write a blog about how they use cloudstack=
 or develop on cloudstack:
http://sebgoa.blogspot.com

Then we need to tweet the hell out of it :)

Easy  :)