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From Mohammad Nour El-Din <nour.moham...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Request for cloudstack-qa mailing list and QA Scrum call
Date Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:19:11 GMT
Hi


On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Sudha Ponnaganti <
sudha.ponnaganti@citrix.com> wrote:

> Thanks for clarification Mohammad Nour!  I do not necessarily disagree
> with what you are suggesting but from what we have seen in 4.0 and 4.0.1,
> it did not work much for testing activity /QA. May have worked if project
> is smaller.  But Cloudstack is not smaller anymore and as mentioned earlier
> the discussions have grown in other development areas but not seeing same
> growth in qa aspect. So trying to find ways to provide a focused attention
> and of course it will not be isolated group as it is open just like user or
> dev lists.
>
> It looks like this approach worked for some bigger open source projects  -
> https://quality.mozilla.org/  ( there are multiple mailing lists even
> within QA)
>

This is really interesting, although the example does not apply here as it
looks like a specialized QA community thing AFAIU


>
> However for starters, we can discuss with QA prefix and see how it goes.
>

+1 I would go that way and if it proves that the traffic is really high to
the point that it spams the -dev list itself then at that time we have a
real reason to go with to INFRA


>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mohammad Nour El-Din [mailto:nour.mohammad@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:40 PM
> To: CloudStack Users
> Cc: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Request for cloudstack-qa mailing list and QA Scrum call
>
> Hi Sudha...
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Sudha Ponnaganti <
> sudha.ponnaganti@citrix.com> wrote:
>
> > One of the concerns is that QA may not feel comfortable to discuss all
> > the QA topics in Dev mailing list.
> > Would like to attract QA community to contribute more than just
> > testing - development of tools and adoption of automation.
> >
> > As is QA is not participating frequently and current dedicated effort
> > is to accelerate that. I am not sure if that would be successful or
> > not but I sense that QA is not feeling comfortable to discuss QA
> > topics in Dev mailing lists. Several times QA folks are being nudged
> > to post on dev mailing lists from few folks participated in 4.0 QA
> > effort. That is why I thought this approach might help.
> >
> > Intention is not to isolate this mailing list but to keep focus and
> > encourage participation.
> >
>
> I understand your concern, but allow me to disagree with you about one
> main point, IMO this is encouraging more to like divide the ACS community,
> using different mailing lists is not to categorize people or to use it as
> as if we have departments in team, we use different mailing lists mainly
> for better scope and some times for privacy when it matters about some
> aspects that should not be discussed in public and in this case I don't see
> any of these, I know you don't mean that at all I am just explaining what
> would that lead at the end
>
> Actually I would not call the QA ppl, I will call them contributors, or
> persons interested to contribute to ACS development related tasks which are
> of more QA nature
>
> Actually I would better encourage them to go one the -dev list and start
> spamming it with QA e-mails :D
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mohammad Nour El-Din [mailto:nour.mohammad@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:17 PM
> > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; CloudStack Users
> > Subject: Re: Request for cloudstack-qa mailing list and QA Scrum call
> >
> > Hi
> >
> >    Allow me to dis-agree with you about one minor point that
> > differentiates frequest/planned/scheduled QA tasks or activities than
> > than what users find while using ACS, I think what is proposed is
> > related to the former point
> >
> > The idea itself is appealing but the amount of interaction really
> > needs separate mailing list ? Can we just send e-mail tagged with [QA]
> > for example which then helps filter out QA related e-mails ?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Prasanna Santhanam <
> > prasanna.santhanam@citrix.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 04:38:57AM +0530, Prasanna Santhanam wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 04:32:02AM +0530, Sudha Ponnaganti wrote:
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > Reaching out to community to see if we can have a dedicated QA
> > > > > mailing list mainly to have a focused attention around QA
> > > > > Activities.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -          To discuss automation acceleration. We already have
> > > > > sizable scripts and need to get those running  in to apache env
> > > > >
> > > > > -          Discuss QA strategy and have community participate
> little
> > > > > bit more - Dev community is very active but QA is not at the
> > > > > same level.  There are too many discussions in dev mailing list
> already.
> > > > > Afraid that QA may not get enough attention
> > > > >
> > > > > -          Discuss project QA activities and track progress and
> > > > > present relevant info to community. Intention is not to take
> > > > > away visibility but to have a focused vision on QA.
> > > > >
> > > > > -          Discuss other QA initiatives and have owners drive these
> > > > > initiatives - mainly around automation frameworks, tools
> > > > > implementation for QA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Please do express your opinion on this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also I am going to setup a call to discuss ASF CS 4.1 release QA
> > > > > activities starting next week as we are getting close to the
> > > > > release.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Why not use the -users list? It's not high-traffic and QA are
> > > > users testing/using the product? It will encourage our users to
> > > > test alongside releases and participate in the testing process.
> > > > Some of our users I'm sure can contribute automated tests.
> > > >
> > > Including the users (+cross-posting)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Prasanna.,
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks
> > - Mohammad Nour
> > ----
> > "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
> moving"
> > - Albert Einstein
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
> - Albert Einstein
>



-- 
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein

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