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From Sudha Ponnaganti <sudha.ponnaga...@citrix.com>
Subject RE: Request for cloudstack-qa mailing list and QA Scrum call
Date Wed, 19 Dec 2012 00:02:40 GMT
Thanks for clarification Mohammad Nour!  I do not necessarily disagree with what you are suggesting
but from what we have seen in 4.0 and 4.0.1, it did not work much for testing activity /QA.
May have worked if project is smaller.  But Cloudstack is not smaller anymore and as mentioned
earlier the discussions have grown in other development areas but not seeing same growth in
qa aspect. So trying to find ways to provide a focused attention and of course it will not
be isolated group as it is open just like user or dev lists. 

It looks like this approach worked for some bigger open source projects  - https://quality.mozilla.org/
 ( there are multiple mailing lists even within QA)

However for starters, we can discuss with QA prefix and see how it goes. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mohammad Nour El-Din [mailto:nour.mohammad@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:40 PM
To: CloudStack Users
Cc: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Request for cloudstack-qa mailing list and QA Scrum call

Hi Sudha...


On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Sudha Ponnaganti < sudha.ponnaganti@citrix.com> wrote:

> One of the concerns is that QA may not feel comfortable to discuss all 
> the QA topics in Dev mailing list.
> Would like to attract QA community to contribute more than just 
> testing - development of tools and adoption of automation.
>
> As is QA is not participating frequently and current dedicated effort 
> is to accelerate that. I am not sure if that would be successful or 
> not but I sense that QA is not feeling comfortable to discuss QA 
> topics in Dev mailing lists. Several times QA folks are being nudged 
> to post on dev mailing lists from few folks participated in 4.0 QA 
> effort. That is why I thought this approach might help.
>
> Intention is not to isolate this mailing list but to keep focus and 
> encourage participation.
>

I understand your concern, but allow me to disagree with you about one main point, IMO this
is encouraging more to like divide the ACS community, using different mailing lists is not
to categorize people or to use it as as if we have departments in team, we use different mailing
lists mainly for better scope and some times for privacy when it matters about some aspects
that should not be discussed in public and in this case I don't see any of these, I know you
don't mean that at all I am just explaining what would that lead at the end

Actually I would not call the QA ppl, I will call them contributors, or persons interested
to contribute to ACS development related tasks which are of more QA nature

Actually I would better encourage them to go one the -dev list and start spamming it with
QA e-mails :D


>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mohammad Nour El-Din [mailto:nour.mohammad@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:17 PM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; CloudStack Users
> Subject: Re: Request for cloudstack-qa mailing list and QA Scrum call
>
> Hi
>
>    Allow me to dis-agree with you about one minor point that 
> differentiates frequest/planned/scheduled QA tasks or activities than 
> than what users find while using ACS, I think what is proposed is 
> related to the former point
>
> The idea itself is appealing but the amount of interaction really 
> needs separate mailing list ? Can we just send e-mail tagged with [QA] 
> for example which then helps filter out QA related e-mails ?
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Prasanna Santhanam < 
> prasanna.santhanam@citrix.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 04:38:57AM +0530, Prasanna Santhanam wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 04:32:02AM +0530, Sudha Ponnaganti wrote:
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Reaching out to community to see if we can have a dedicated QA 
> > > > mailing list mainly to have a focused attention around QA 
> > > > Activities.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -          To discuss automation acceleration. We already have
> > > > sizable scripts and need to get those running  in to apache env
> > > >
> > > > -          Discuss QA strategy and have community participate little
> > > > bit more - Dev community is very active but QA is not at the 
> > > > same level.  There are too many discussions in dev mailing list already.
> > > > Afraid that QA may not get enough attention
> > > >
> > > > -          Discuss project QA activities and track progress and
> > > > present relevant info to community. Intention is not to take 
> > > > away visibility but to have a focused vision on QA.
> > > >
> > > > -          Discuss other QA initiatives and have owners drive these
> > > > initiatives - mainly around automation frameworks, tools 
> > > > implementation for QA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please do express your opinion on this.
> > > >
> > > > Also I am going to setup a call to discuss ASF CS 4.1 release QA 
> > > > activities starting next week as we are getting close to the 
> > > > release.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Why not use the -users list? It's not high-traffic and QA are 
> > > users testing/using the product? It will encourage our users to 
> > > test alongside releases and participate in the testing process. 
> > > Some of our users I'm sure can contribute automated tests.
> > >
> > Including the users (+cross-posting)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Prasanna.,
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
> - Albert Einstein
>



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Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
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"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein

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