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From Edison Su <Edison...@citrix.com>
Subject CloudStack Chinese user mailing list
Date Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:41:39 GMT
Glad to announce that CloudStack Chinese user mailing list is created, just few minutes ago.
To subscribe: please send email to cloudstack-users-cn-subscribe@incubator.apache.org.
BTW, it's Mandarin only though, maybe a little bit Cantonese is OK...:)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Nalley [mailto:david@gnsa.us]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:45 PM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Can we use other language here?
> 
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Sheng Yang <sheng@yasker.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:29 AM, David Nalley <david@gnsa.us> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Wido den Hollander <wido@widodh.nl>
> wrote:
> >>> On 06/19/2012 02:50 PM, Robert Schweikert wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 06/19/2012 05:43 AM, Lu Heng wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One very interesting question raised by my Chinese tech today,
> can we
> >>>>> use Chinese in the mailling list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Seems there is no language restriction about in the mailling
> list,
> >>>>> and all language should be equal.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. As I read and touched these days in the mailling list, a lot
> guy
> >>>>> from crixi developing CS are in fact Chinese.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any thoughts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> If this is needed then we should have a language specific list.
> However,
> >>>> from a development point of view that'll put a big dent into
> >>>> collaboration.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'd see a cloudstack-users-cn mailinglist earlier then a Chinese
> developer
> >>> list.
> >>>
> >>> My €0,02 says we should stick to English on the development list to
> keep
> >>> collaboration consistent. English isn't my native language either,
> but it
> >>> seems to be accepted as the language in software development?
> >>>
> >>> As far as I know English is harder to learn for Chinese people due
> to the
> >>> huge language differences. I wouldn't vote against a Chinese
> development
> >>> list, but I wouldn't endorse it either, due to the above reasons.
> >>>
> >>> Wido
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> My $0.02
> >>>> Robert
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Generally a project uses a single language for development purposes
> >> and while there is no technical barrier, splitting up the developer
> >> community by language seems more deleterious than beneficial.
> >>
> >> This is further complicated by the fact that decisions have to be
> made
> >> on the mailing list - which then begs the question - where can
> binding
> >> decisions be made? In Apache projects that is supposed to happen on
> >> the -dev list. However with two -dev lists that becomes a bit more
> >> difficult.
> >>
> >>  So my personal take on the matter:
> >> We have a number of developers for whom English is not their native
> >> tongue - but it remains a common tongue for us. I'd certainly have
> no
> >> objection to language-specific user mailing lists. But missing
> entire
> >> development conversations, strikes me as a bad thing.
> >>
> >> Thoughts, comments, flames?
> >
> > Agree. There should be no knowledge barrier between developers.
> >
> > And I am quite believe in English education in China. Again, don't
> > worry about grammar or misspell etc.
> >
> > And localized user mailing is necessary I think.
> >
> > --Sheng
> >>
> >> --David
> 
> Sheng, or Edison - feel free to create a ticket for INFRA at
> issues.apache.org to create a Chinese language user mailing list.
> 
> --David
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