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Regards, *Sunando Bhattacharya* *M* +91 97111 52299 http://www.indiqus.com/ *This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited unless proper authorization has been obtained for such action. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately. Although IndiQus attempts to sweep e-mail and attachments for viruses, it does not guarantee that both are virus-free and accepts no liability for any damage sustained as a result of viruses.* From: Giles Sirett Reply: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org Date: 23 December 2016 at 5:00:58 PM To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: [discuss] cloudstack website For some time I=E2=80=99ve been thinking that the cloudstack.apache.org web= site is looking a little dated and could do with a redesign I also feel quite strongly that we should move it to an easy-to-use CMS, rather than the middleman/github repo approach If we do that, we can broaden to pool of people who have the skills able to udate the website (i.e. open it up potentially to people who don=E2=80=99t = know git,etc) This hopefully would allow us to keep the site more up to date, more easily So, first question: do others agree this seems like a good idea ? Moving on from this, I have had a discussion with a web agency that I know. The net result is that they would consider helping us out on a pro-bono basis (to be frank, they are reasonably excited to be able to do some work for an apache project =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s a good thing for them to talk = about. All they ask is a =E2=80=9Csite designed by=E2=80=9D credit) They are https://www.blinkeredmedia.com/ (their site focusses on video but they knock out wordpress sites by the dozen) They are up for getting involved in our community (maybe marketing@) as volunteers and working on a redesign So, next question: do people think this is a good idea, would we accept their offer of help? Now, the potential challenges I see: 1. If we moved to something like wordpress, are ASF infra able to host that? a. Assuming =E2=80=9Cno=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 then is there anything to = stop us using a commercial ISP ? =E2=80=93 My $dayjob could donate a couple of years hostin= g if required, giving control of it to this PMC. Is that allowable ? 2. The current workflow (AFAIK) only allows commiters to update the site. That=E2=80=99s a sensible check process. So, if we moved to a CMS, ho= w would we enforce necessary karma, and who would have such karma ? 3. Has anybody got any experience of =E2=80=9Ccommissioning=E2=80=9D = a website in an open source community ? =E2=80=93 they have already asked me lots of questi= ons about how it would work =E2=80=93 and I=E2=80=99 not sure. In theory, it c= an all be designed/reviewed/ etc on marketing@ but I would be a little anxious that it could turn into a bike-shedding nightmare (and theres nothing designers love more than 10 different opinions J ) My thinking would be that, as long as they are happy to (and we are happy for them to do so) we get them to come up with a design idea to give people a starting point to look at If people think it=E2=80=99s a good idea (and we can answer the challenges = above) =E2=80=93 my first step would be to introduce these guys on lists and let them take it from there Kind Regards Giles giles.sirett@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com @shapeblue --001a11449c94dbbd43054451c7a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Hi Giles,

I think its a brilliant idea and is the call of the hour.

+1 from our side.
=

Regards,

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From:=C2=A0Giles Sir= ett <giles.sirett@s= hapeblue.com>
Reply:=C2=A0marketing@cloudstack.apache.org= <marketing@cl= oudstack.apache.org>
Date:=C2=A023 De= cember 2016 at 5:00:58 PM
To:=C2=A0marketing@cloudstack.apach= e.org <mar= keting@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject:=C2=A0 [discuss] cloudstack website

=C2=A0

For some time I=E2=80=99ve been thinking that the cloudstack.apache.org website is= looking a little dated and could do with a redesign

=C2=A0

I also feel quite strongly that we should move it to= an easy-to-use CMS, rather than the middleman/github repo approach

If we do that, we can broaden to pool of people who = have the skills able to udate the website (i.e. open it up potentially to p= eople who don=E2=80=99t know git,etc)

=C2=A0

This hopefully would allow us to keep the site more = up to date, more easily

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

So, first question: do others agree this seems like = a good idea ?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Moving on from this, I have had a discussion with a = web agency that I know. The net result is that they would consider helping = us out on a pro-bono basis (to be frank, they are reasonably excited to be = able to do some work for an apache project =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s a good thing for them to talk about. All th= ey ask is a =E2=80=9Csite designed by=E2=80=9D credit)

=C2=A0

They are https://www.blinkeredmedia.com/

(their site focusses on video but they knock out wor= dpress sites by the dozen)

=C2=A0

They are up for getting involved in our community (m= aybe marketing@) as volunteers and working on a redesign

=C2=A0

So, next question: do people think this is a good id= ea, would we accept their offer of help?

=C2=A0

Now, the potential challenges I see:

=C2=A0

1.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 If we moved to something like wordpress, are ASF infra able t= o host that?

a.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Assuming =E2=80=9Cno=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 then is there anythin= g to stop us using a commercial ISP ? =E2=80=93 My $dayjob could donate a c= ouple of years hosting if required, giving control of it to this PMC. Is th= at allowable ?

2.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The current workflow (AFAIK) only allows commiters to update = the site. That=E2=80=99s a sensible check process. So, if we moved to a CMS= , how would we enforce necessary karma, and who would have such karma ?

3.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Has anybody got any experience of =E2=80=9Ccommissioning=E2= =80=9D a website in an open source community ? =E2=80=93 they have already = asked me lots of questions about how it would work =E2=80=93 and I=E2=80=99= not sure.=C2=A0 In theory, it can all be designed/reviewed/ etc on marketi= ng@ but I would be a little anxious that it could turn into a bike-shedding ni= ghtmare (and theres nothing designers love more than 10 different opinions J )

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

My thinking would be that, as long as they are happy= to (and we are happy for them to do so)=C2=A0 we get them to come up with = a design idea to give people a starting point to look at

=C2=A0

If people think it=E2=80=99s a good idea (and we can= answer the challenges above) =E2=80=93 my first step would be to introduce= these guys on lists and let them take it from there

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Kind Rega= rds

Giles

=C2=A0

giles.si= rett@shapeblue.com=C2=A0
www.shapeblue.com
@shapeblue
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