I don't want to come across as anti-OpenStack because I am not.  We use some components of OpenStack.  The problem I see is that everyone investing in OpenStack has to prove its value, which has resulted in extensive smoke and mirrors.  Because of this many companies have invested heavily in OpenStack adoption, but many of these projects fail once they get into the nuts and bolts.  

In contrast, CloudStack hardly has the marketing funds to present the basics to the market.  While this has its own problems, when people choose CloudStack, they know what they are getting.  It is feature rich while still being manageable in size and scope, making it viable for companies at any scale.

It is also worth pointing out that OpenStack and CloudStack are not solving the same problems.  CloudStack solves for a subset of what OpenStack (claims to) solve for.  I think the scope of what OpenStack has tried to solve for is one of the reasons it has become so hard to adopt.

OpenStack will continue to be a contender simply due to the massive amount of money invested into it.  At some point in the future it will likely be a viable option for medium to large companies, but that is not the case yet.  We will see how the next 5 years play out...

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Erik Weber <terbolous@gmail.com> wrote:
Depending on the upgrade, it can take anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours to upgrade cloudstack.

HP stopped providing its public openstack cloud..


Den torsdag 28. april 2016 skrev Yim, Philip <Philip_Yim@alliedtelesis.com> følgende:
I'm new to the thread but does cloudstack solve this problem ?


On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Will Stevens <williamstevens@gmail.com> wrote:

I would be curious to know how many billions of $ of consulting and operational costs were incurred to boost the $3.4B of revenues.  :)  I wonder which number is bigger...

You still can't upgrade an openstack cloud, so if you want to go to a new version, you have to build a new cloud and migrate all of your workloads.  

I am not saying you can't make money with openstack, but I would rather be an openstack consultant than an openstack provider, and that says a lot about the actual technology...

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Sunando Bhattacharya <sunando@indiqus.com> wrote:
I really don’t know on what basis we are saying that openstack doesn’t work… $3.4Bill of revenues !!!

Fact is openstack is production-grade and catching up fast on most counts with ACS, and actually ahead on some features like NFV.

Lets call a spade a spade

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+1 to that will 

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On 28 Apr 2016, at 15:39, Will Stevens <williamstevens@gmail.com> wrote:

Openstack is just bitter because they still don't have a product that works and our product works just fine.  Just goes to show that more money doesn't always solve the problem...  :)  All that money and almost no success stories.  Kind of sad really...

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Madan Ganesh Velayudham <madanganesh@actonmagic.com> wrote:

Just bumped onto this article, thought of sharing:


The decision to turn over OpenStack to a foundation in 2012 stands in contrast to the CloudStack platform and its parent, Citrix. Citrix donated CloudStack to the Apache Software Foundation, but it was never set up with the same true, multi-stakeholder, stand-alone foundation as OpenStack's.

"If Citrix would have done a foundation around CloudStack, we would now be at a Cloudstack Summit, not OpenStack Summit," Sadowski said." Sadowski said.

The bold highlighted line was hurting a little bit!


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