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From Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>
Subject Re: or website
Date Thu, 05 Mar 2015 22:25:18 GMT
No risk of bikeshedding.  We are all working in the same direction.  :)

This thread has the tall order of trying to align the technical improvement
of how we actually manage and deliver the website as well as making it
easier for us to better market the strengths of ACS.  This is not always
easy because the people in the best position to add the marketing flare are
usually not the same people who actually maintain the technical
implementation of the site.

All constructive feedback is helpful in this process.  :)

Will

On Mar 5, 2015 4:56 PM, "Sally Khudairi" <sk@apache.org> wrote:

> Thanks, Will.
>
> Right: I got that. I just wanted to make sure that we remain objective
> with our introspection.
>
> I'll step aside now for fear of triggering semantic bikeshedding. Feel
> free to ping if you need anything from the ASF side.
>
> Warmly,
> Sally
>
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>  *From:* Will Stevens <wstevens@cloudops.com>
> *To:* "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>; Sally
> Khudairi <sallykhudairi@yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <marketing@cloudstack.apache.org>;
> "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 March 2015, 16:51
> *Subject:* Re: or website
>
> I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording
> completely.  I think he was saying that we could supplement that message
> with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value
> proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
>
> Will
>
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> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <
> sallykhudairi@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> NOT SO FAST.
> Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
> Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
> "The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux
> professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring
> managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major
> impact on their hiring decisions..."
>
> So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing",
> but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related
> campaigns/taglines.
> Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete
> overhaul.
> Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
> Cheers,Sally
>       From: Ian Rae <irae@cloudops.com>
>  To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>; "
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <marketing@cloudstack.apache.org>
>  Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
>  Subject: Re: or website
>
> Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational
> and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I
> think there is a greater purpose.
> I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but
> communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some
> extent aligns the community itself.
> So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive
> design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the
> community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does
> CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the
> market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works
> out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded
> for long term supportability).
> Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm
> not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open
> source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it
> did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems
> to be "cloud").
> Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect
> with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more
> accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the
> community.
> Ian
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the
> gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic
> svn :)
>
> I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages
> branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based
> website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be
> built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master
> branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on
> Github and uses Jekyll.
>
> > On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's
> website and does not portray our project in a good way.
> >
> > I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our
> repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> > It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > And it builds:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root
> repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> > That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of
> using svn or the apache CMS.
> >
> > Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a
> modern design for cloudstack ?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > -sebastien
>
> Regards,
> Rohit Yadav
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