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From "Lawrence Rosen" <>
Subject RE: Who manages a project brand: Cloudstack
Date Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:02:31 GMT
Now that it is (apparently?) decided that the Cloudstack project handles its
own trademarks, may I please make a suggestion to you.

I'm a naive user who can't tell a Cloudstack from an OpenStack [1]. You
might want to refer to your project as "Apache Cloudstack" far more often
than "Cloudstack" alone. Thus you can benefit from the "Apache" trademark of
the Foundation. That's what our Apache brand is useful for. Then later, when
the full brand crystallizes in the minds of the public, the shorter mark
will be sufficiently evocative and memorable to stand on its own.

For those of you who remember US car models: One famous automobile was the
"Cadillac Eldorado" (before it became simply an "Eldorado") and another was
the "Toyota Prius" (before it was simply a "Prius") in the minds of the
car-buying public. Of course, one failure was the "Ford Edsel" when the Ford
Motor Company stopped making the Edsel and refused to apply its Ford brand
to that dog. :-)

FYI, trademarks in practice....



-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Childers [] 
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Who manages a project brand

On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 04:38:35PM -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
> The one thing I would like to see come out of this (in the fullness of
> time) isn't patches to say that Brand has delegated to Cloudstack, but 
> rather patches to the policy that make whatever accommodations the 
> CloudStack feels are appropriate available to *ALL* PMCs.


As it stands now, there are 2 areas where we have an opportunity for to
bring something back to the trademarks committee.

1) We have handled some ambiguity in the events policy (which actually could
be turned into a patch now, since this has been in place and working for
quite some time now)

2) We are going to try to figure out if we have an appropriate model in mind
for our *PMC* collectively making specific statements of approval / denial
of a request. I don't see this necessarily as a patch to the foundation
policies, but perhaps as a suggested model (there may be
others) for communities to consider.


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