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From Giles Sirett <>
Subject RE: GigaOm Structure Panel on Open Cloud
Date Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:38:18 GMT
I know where you're coming from (but golf is a silly idea  -stupid & frustrating game
:-) )

In all seriousness, that comment by Barb Darrow stuck in my throat. Because its true.

But *why* do we expect any different ? What are we doing to

Here's the problem: we put a lot of effort into attending/sponsoring/speaking at opensource
conferences. That certainly has value, and IMO we should continue to do so. We're opensource
guys, its our natural hunting ground. But CIO's don't go to these.

What we don't do however, is focus much on "the events that CIO's will be at". They don’t
have to be literally CIO's: these are the business focussed events, where people wear suits
not monkey tee-shirts

We've got people who are capable of going and doing such talks, we're just not getting the

Recently Chris Reid took the initiative on getting a speaking slot at such a conference [1].
Chris had to effectively cold-call the event organisers and pursued them to let him talk about

In theory, there's nothing to stop any of us doing such cold calling, but it is hugely inefficient
& I think will have a low hit rate. What I would love to do is:

a)identify a list of people who have metaphoric suits in their closets
b)identify a list of such events
c) Get Sally (if that’s OK with Sally) to approach the organisers on some form of formal
basis (I know we have rules around representing [or not] the project, but we'd need to figure
something out). Hopefully this should get us many more hits


Kind Regards

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-----Original Message-----
From: Harm Boertien []
Sent: 24 June 2014 11:02
To: '<>'; ''; Arjan Eriks
Subject: RE: GigaOm Structure Panel on Open Cloud

I fear she is right though, CIO's see OpenStack on the billboards everywhere, and certainly
in the news.
So we have to start playing golf (he /brainfart, how about doing an open-source golf day sponsored
by Citrix and invite some of these C-levels).

I bet you can arrange something around that with the Linux Foundation.
Instead of trying to get the C-levels to our conferences, let's go to their golf courses.

Invite the OpenNebula's / OpenStacks / CloudStacks and let the customers talk about their
experiences with either.
Would be great if that could be pulled off.


I don't personally play golf, I know Arjan does :-).

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hinkle []
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 21:25
To: <>
Subject: GigaOm Structure Panel on Open Cloud

It's interesting to see the debate between Eucalyptus, Nebula and Citrix from last week's
Structure about open source clouds.

GigaOm - It's time to stop the open-on-open violence in cloud computing

Tidbits from the panel(video at bottom of the article):

9:30 - Chris Kemp, Nebula/OpenStack - "OpenStack is a toolkit not a product."
13:00 - Barb Darrow, GigaOm "In terms of CIOs OpenStack has won the war"
13:30 - Marten Mickos/Eucalyptus,"If you have too much money you buy VMware, if you have too
much time you use OpenStack"

The thing that is most troubling is the Barb Darrow comment...I hope she's wrong.

Regards, Mark

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