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From ilya musayev <>
Subject Re: Fwd: OpenStack OR CloudStack
Date Fri, 30 May 2014 21:57:22 GMT

So i was exactly in the same boat as you are. I had bunch of people in 
my previous company scream - why are we going CloudStack if OpenStack is 
a "standard". No one of those folks actually understood the difference 
between the two. If i'd have installed cloudstack and change the logo to 
openstack - they would not have known the difference.

We also had a bake off earlier, OpenStack VS CloudStack. We had 2 
systems guys eager to implement the private cloud, one linux python 
expert and another windows system admin who barely had any linux 

Two weeks later, the python guy failed to deliver a POC cloud on 
OpenStack, while windows engineer delivered CloudStack in 1 day. I took 
over the infrastructure from then on.

You have to decide whats right for you. Do you have a budget and team of 
developers to maintain your cloud infrastructure on openstack? Are you 
in business of running and maintaining infrastructure? There is a reason 
why Verizon Terramark, Nokia, AutoDesk, Disney, BT, Tata Communications, 
Korea Telecom and 200+ known companies in addition to 300+ companies who 
dont disclose their usage of CloudStack.

The truth on the winning platform remains to be seen. There is an open 
cloud standard - where everything must be decoupled and fault tolerant - 
an AWS concept, as to what underlying cloud stack you use - will become 
irrelevant in near future.

Try both platforms and see what happens.


On 5/28/14, 1:38 PM, hossein zabolzadeh wrote:
> Thanks Arjan.
> Without any doubt, the best solution is to use DC virtualization 
> technology(CloudStack) in contrast to infrastructure provisioning 
> cloud solutions(e.g. AWS, OpenStack, ...) to solve this problem. 
> CloudStack is the best openSource solution in the DC virtualization 
> era. My choice at the end will be cloudstack(Probably). But what makes 
> me very disturbe is deviation from the cloud de-facto standard, what 
> OpenStack is looking for. As the OpenStack project shows, it will be 
> more standard than be a product.
> I don't belive that one cloud solution(OpenStack) will dominates the 
> whole in the future, but the standard compliancy is one of my concern 
> that makes the decision more harder than before to select CloudStack.
> Best Regards,
> Hossein.
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Arjan Eriks < 
> <>> wrote:
>     Hi Hossein,
>     I can only give you a generic answer for your problem. We are
>     CloudStack and AWS users. Our company is a system integrator /
>     outsourcing company / managed service provider.
>     We run into your issue all the time.
>     For applications that need HA and resiliency we have (often)
>     chosen to fix the issue in the Cloud Infrastructure. Like you
>     stated you do not want touch the code base. Of course you cannot
>     fix infra on AWS. You can do some of that in CloudStack (or
>     OpenStack).
>     Having that said AWS and CloudStack without alterations could be
>     an option in some uses cases. You have to design properly for your
>     issues.
>     If you want to know exactly what you are up against you have to
>     investigate a little more. You can do so, by making a PoC on both
>     CloudStack environments and AWS. Or you can ask a company that is
>     helping you from a consultancy point of view. Which one i best
>     depends on the level of engineers you have in your company.
>     Hope this helps.
>     Regards,
>     Arjan
>>     hossein zabolzadeh <>
>>     28 May 2014 18:29
>>     Thanks for your video. I saw, and it was useful.
>>     But I have another question: What happens when an old application
>>     ran into
>>     the AWS like cloud infrastructure?
>>     In my opinion the application bother both from HA and resiliancy.
>>     What's your idea behind that?
>>     Let's talk about my problem. My main problem is that, I want to
>>     convert my
>>     company's datacenter into a cloud infrastructure. But there are
>>     atleast 10
>>     legacy application which hold my business. So, if I go to the AWS
>>     like
>>     CMPs, I don't know what will be happening when run all of these
>>     10 legacy
>>     applications?
>>     (I don't want to make any change to my application codebases)
>>     Thanks in advance.
>>     Aaron Delp <>
>>     28 May 2014 15:15
>>     Take a look at this video I did. In this context vCloud = Old Apps,
>>     OpenStack or AWS = New Apps, CloudStack = Both Types of
>>     applications in
>>     different availability zones.
>>     *Aaron Delp*
>>     *Cloud Solutions Architect, SolidFire Inc.*
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>>     hossein zabolzadeh <>
>>     28 May 2014 14:03
>>     Hi,
>>     I hear a lot about openStack, and its rapid development and
>>     improvement. I
>>     also know that we have two type of cloud paradigm. Amazon and
>>     Vcloud. And
>>     also know that cloudstack is vcloud like CMP. But What really
>>     these words
>>     mean?
>>     Can you take an example(Technical Example) to show the real
>>     differences
>>     between AWS and Vcloud cloud approach?
>>     From a technical point of view, what is a real difference between
>>     these tow
>>     types of cloud approaches?

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