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From Geralyn Miller <>
Subject RE: CloudStack MS on Windows - thoughts?
Date Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:15:52 GMT
Adding to my earlier comment:

Yep, I saw that announcement. But, the  term "Windows Azure Pack" is a bit of a misnomer.
It is Service Bus and a few other "minor" things. It is not all of Azure (yet), e.g. it does
not include Table storage, Blob storage, etc.   I see little value in standing it up solely
for the marketing bang, because I'm just not sure who would care. Let's be honest...there
aren't all that many Azure apps right now, and Microsoft will do everything they can to keep
those apps up and running in the public cloud (in most cases they paid a lot of money to get
those apps there). So, I just don't see a lot of folks rushing to build on a feature-incomplete
on-prem Azure Pack. Maybe in the future, but not right now.

In my opinion, we should be focusing on  (1) robust support for HyperV and  (2) a hybrid cloud
story that shows the ability to either move Windows workloads between an on-prem CloudStack
instance and the large public clouds (Azure, AWS), or the ability to support workloads with
resources that span on-prem/off-prem .   If we want to do something  interesting and useful
to support the hybrid cloud story that touches Azure, then maybe it's worth looking at how
to leverage Service Bus to support transactional messaging between an on-prem ACS instance
and Azure public cloud. FWIW, Service Bus supports AMQP. 

For some demo pizazz, I would write a native Win8 app or Windows Phone app with some of the
basic functionality of the ACS management console. So, the "demo" would be using a Win8 device
to spin up HyperV VMs (running Windows apps) on ACS, and having those on-prem apps passing
messages to an app in the Azure public cloud. It shows support for devices, hypervisor,  and
core Windows. It's a story about embracing a platform and extending reach.

My 2 cents.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mathias Mullins [] 
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 6:31 AM
To:; Musayev, Ilya
Subject: Re: CloudStack MS on Windows - thoughts?

Ilya, your on the right path here. I think many of you know that I work in the field for the
Citrix side of things, and I¹ve had several user requests for this because they don¹t have
the knowledge base in Linux to keep up with it. I think it would help with adoption significantly.

Now trying to build Azure ZonesŠ That¹s a really cool thought, but I would expand that to
the bad letters AWS as well. It would give us a huge advantage that OS and Euca couldn¹t
even start to touch. We would really have a true Public / Private / Hybrid solution. Isn¹t
that what the original CloudBridge module in CloudStack code was about?


On 11/21/13, 9:02 AM, "Steve Wilson" <> wrote:

>I think the general idea of having CloudStock "Windowsified" is great.
>Anyone have any experience building Windows installers who'd want to 
>help with this?  I think Citrix is willing to put some effort into it.
>On 11/21/13 1:43 AM, "John Kinsella" <> wrote:
>>On Nov 20, 2013, at 4:26 PM, "Musayev, Ilya"
>> wrote:
>>Geralyn has a good point. I don't think you can mix Azure PaaS and ACS 
>>IaaS. To best of my knowledge,  Microsofts PaaS solution is not 
>>something you can implement in-house. Its a hosted service by MS.
>>From what I've read earlier this week, this is incorrect and is what 
>>has caught my interest. MS now has a "Windows Azure Pack" which allows 
>>enterprises or service providers to provide Azure services in their 
>>own environments[1].
>>I haven't dug in much past the glossies, but the question to be seen 
>>is can we run parts of that on top of an ACS cloud. My guess is yes.
>>Anyways, I'll leave the tech convo off the marketing list and bring up 
>>on dev at the appropriate time. Was just saying it looks like there's 
>>a possibility here, and if so it'd be a fun PR stunt.
>>If we can team up with openshift and cloudify guys and do a joint 
>>cross marketing venture it will help as well. Maybe plugins into each 
>>on application level or just set of videos on how to run ACS and PaaS.
>>I poked a bit at the openshift dude when he was at CloudStack collab 
>>in Santa Clara, asking what RH's plans were to work closer with ACS. 
>>The response was more or less "if you write something so we integrate 
>>tighter, we'd love to see it."[2]
>>2: And make money off it.

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