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From Mathias Mullins <>
Subject Re: [RESULTS][SUMMARY][DISCUSS][VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website
Date Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:09:19 GMT
I think that this has been a pretty big discussion and since the results
are out I put it up on the news.


On 6/12/13 7:21 AM, "Chip Childers" <> wrote:

>On Jun 12, 2013, at 6:13 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <> wrote:
>> Hi, (note only marketing@)
>> Apologies for a belated wrap up of this important vote. Please reply
>> +1 : 24 (Sebastien, Giles, Nguyen, Ryan, Kelly, Geoff, Roland, Alex,
>>Nehal, Sapm4kev, Gaspare, Kelcey, José,OutbackDingo, Todd, Eric, David,
>>Kimihiko, Radhika, Clayton, Chip, Chiradeep, Tariq, Mark)
>> -0 : 2 (Noah, Joe also vote +0)
>> -1: 2 (Rohit, Ilya)
>> Rohit would be +1 on listing in the wiki, Ilya would be +0 on listing
>>in the wiki.
>> So it seems that we would have unanimous consensus for listing on the
>>wiki, even though there is a strong majority for the website.
>> I felt it was important to poll folks that are only on dev@ or users@
>>and the results show that some folks who have never voted, got engaged
>>in this VOTE. This is a very positive side effect despite the confusion
>>that I created by bcc all lists.
>> Our bylaws [1] do not cover votes on non-technical matters, so while we
>>have lazy majority on this vote it seems that this situation is not
>>covered by the bylaws. Moreover section 3.1.1 of bylaws says that
>>decisions on the project happen on dev@, so it seems that votes even on
>>marketing@ are not allowed (unsure about this).
>> I propose the following:
>> 1-To move forward without having to re-cast a vote, I propose to list
>>immediately the books on the Wiki, and inform Packt. I just created the
>>page [2]
>> 2- If people agree that we have a bylaw "loophole", we need to modify
>>the bylaws to allow votes on marketing@ and agree on using Lazy majority
>>or Lazy 2/3 majority.
>> Once we agree, I will inform users@ and dev@ and invite folks who
>>participated in this vote to join marketing@
>> 3- We could then re-cast a vote to list on the website
>> [1]
>> [2] 
>> Ps: fwiw, I think this is overly complicated but the only way forward
>>in the apache way.
>> -Sebastien
>+1, and we could get the wiki page up today, right?  ;)
>I just got a follow up query from packt about what were doing with it.
>The steps above make a ton of sense to me Sebastien.

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