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From Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [RESULTS][SUMMARY][DISCUSS][VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website
Date Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:23:15 GMT

On Jun 20, 2013, at 8:14 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:

> Sebastian,
> 
> Thanks for the wrap up. I am happy with the way we proceeded here. It was a
> good compromise.
> 
> As for the process stuff: Apache — as a community — uses
> discussion-lead consensus-based decision-making. (And formal voting is just
> one manifestation of that.) This should permeate everything we do. Every
> list, in other words.
> 
> So the question isn't "where can votes happen?" (answer: everywhere Apache
> people exist!) but "where must certain types of decision be made?"
> 
> I think we've established through past discussions around event organising,
> etc, that any sort of decision-making process in relation to marketing, the
> website, events, and branding, can, and probably should, happen on
> marketing@. There is no need to CC dev@.

Agreed, but Rohit's vote on the book [VOTE] showed that he was thinking any votes happens
on dev@

We just need to clarify this and inform the other lists. 

-sebastien

> 
> Any general, project-level stuff can be handled on dev@. In fact, "when in
> doubt, do it on dev@" is a decent rule of thumb.
> 
> Perhaps we have not documented that marketing@ list is a suitable forum for
> certain types of decision making. It would probably be a good idea to do
> so. (But not doing so in the short term does not make existing decisions
> invalid. There is plenty of evidence in the mailing list archives to
> demonstrate the PMC is happy with this.)
> 
> As for the by-laws. I agree. I will post a patch in a few minutes.
> 
> 
> 
> On 17 June 2013 21:05, Rohit Yadav <bhaisaab@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Chip Childers
>> <chip.childers@sungard.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> Adding Rohit via his a.o address.
>>> 
>> 
>> Thanks, yes please refrain from using my old/new corporate email addresses.
>> 
>> I'll stick to my initial vote and would propose listing the books on the
>> wiki immediately.
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 02:52:31PM -0400, Sebastien Goasguen wrote:
>>>> Ilya, Rohit, Joe, Noah,
>>>> 
>>>> I am re-sending this with you in CC to make sure you read it.
>>>> 
>>>> Since there was little response the wiki link has been established
>>> already, but I would like to get feedback on explicitly modifying the
>>> bylaws to explain that marketing topics happen on the marketing list and
>>> that Lazy majority or Lazy 2/3 majority will be required.
>>>> 
>>>> -sebastien
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 12, 2013, at 6:12 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, (note only marketing@)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apologies for a belated wrap up of this important vote. Please reply
>>> in-line.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [RESULTS]:
>>>>> 
>>>>> +1 : 24 (Sebastien, Giles, Nguyen, Ryan, Kelly, Geoff, Roland, Alex,
>>> Nehal, Sapm4kev, Gaspare, Kelcey, José,OutbackDingo, Todd, Eric, David,
>>> Kimihiko, Radhika, Clayton, Chip, Chiradeep, Tariq, Mark)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -0 : 2 (Noah, Joe also vote +0)
>>>>> 
>>>>> -1: 2 (Rohit, Ilya)
>>>>> 
>>>>> [SUMMARY]:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rohit would be +1 on listing in the wiki, Ilya would be +0 on listing
>>> in the wiki.
>>>>> So it seems that we would have unanimous consensus for listing on the
>>> wiki, even though there is a strong majority for the website.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [DISCUSS]:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I felt it was important to poll folks that are only on dev@ or
>> users@and the results show that some folks who have never voted, got
>> engaged in
>>> this VOTE. This is a very positive side effect despite the confusion
>> that I
>>> created by bcc all lists.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Our bylaws [1] do not cover votes on non-technical matters, so while
>>> we have lazy majority on this vote it seems that this situation is not
>>> covered by the bylaws. Moreover section 3.1.1 of bylaws says that
>> decisions
>>> on the project happen on dev@, so it seems that votes even on
>> marketing@are not allowed (unsure about this).
>>>>> 
>>>>> I propose the following:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1-To move forward without having to re-cast a vote, I propose to list
>>> immediately the books on the Wiki, and inform Packt. I just created the
>>> page [2]
>>>>> 2- If people agree that we have a bylaw "loophole", we need to modify
>>> the bylaws to allow votes on marketing@ and agree on using Lazy majority
>>> or Lazy 2/3 majority.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Once we agree, I will inform users@ and dev@ and invite folks who
>>> participated in this vote to join marketing@
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3- We could then re-cast a vote to list on the website
>>>>> 
>>>>> [1] http://cloudstack.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>>>> [2]
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/CloudStack+Books
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ps: fwiw, I think this is overly complicated but the only way forward
>>> in the apache way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Sebastien
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> NS


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