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From: Rohit Yadav Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 01:16:29 +0530 X-Google-Sender-Auth: qrc9DqHg9hdtks8lk2NwrpKROU8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c39308b55a4a04ddcc8637 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --001a11c39308b55a4a04ddcc8637 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just my view: Lobbying is something we should avoid from what I understand from the Apache culture. This is not to flame anybody or anything, I've recognized may be the issue is in me; sorry but I've very strong sentiments and emotions around opensource software development, I've decreased my contributions, left my last job which was emotionally scaring me among other things and threads like these just boils my blood, please just avoid ugliness :) And the argument that we don't have to get this perfect right away, meh, just does not apply; should we be doing something that is fundamentally wrong? I know a lot of people like lobbying and practice it, maybe no one is wrong. Just saying. Peace. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > Agree with the "we don't have to get this perfect right away" approach. > > > On 28 May 2013 18:17, Chiradeep Vittal > wrote: > > > +1 > > > > While I appreciate the don't-play-favorites sentiments, I do feel that we > > are over thinking this issue. If favoritism becomes an issue, we can > > revisit. At that point, I'd imagine that there would be half-a-dozen > books > > on CloudStack and listing/not listing them won't make much difference -- > > so we could remove ALL books. We're not there yet. > > > > At this point in time, it is appropriate to support such efforts. > > -- > > Chiradeep > > > > On 5/27/13 1:27 AM, "Sebastien Goasguen" wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >After a relatively long discussion on the marketing@ list about the > > >"Packt Book" [1] I would like to call a vote. > > > > > >Proposal: > > >---------------- > > >I propose to list CloudStack related books on our website [2]. The page > > >listing these books would contain the following disclaimer: > > > > > >"This listing does not represent official endorsement by the Apache > > >CloudStack project. The Apache CloudStack project does not recommend one > > >book versus another nor does it guarantee the quality of the books." > > > > > >Inclusion of a book in the listing would be done via a vote on the > > >marketing@ list. > > >---------------- > > > > > >As a quick summary, alternatives to this proposal were to: > > >1-not do anything > > >2-list the books on the wiki > > > > > >A few of us have already expressed their opinions and discussed the > > >possibilities. Check [1]. > > > > > >Vote will be open for 96 hours (To accommodate Memorial day in the USA). > > > > > >Reply with: > > > > > >[ ] +1 approve > > >[ ] +0 no opinion > > >[ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) > > > > > >PS: If edits of the disclaimer are needed but that they do not change > the > > >meaning of it, the disclaimer will be modified but the vote will not be > > >restarted. > > > > > >[1] http://markmail.org/thread/r4qdmbonmx6yq2uv > > >[2] http://cloudstack.apache.org > > > > > >-Sebastien > > > > > > > -- > NS > --001a11c39308b55a4a04ddcc8637--