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From: Giles Sirett <giles.sirett@shapeblue.com>
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Subject: RE: Weekly News Items?
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Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 17:38:46 +0000
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Chip, I've been very clear, this *is* a commercial offering, we will be mak=
ing money. ShapeBlue makes its money out of services around Cloudstack. Thi=
s is what we do to feed our kids.

These courses have been in development for some time, we have invested time=
 & money  in creating a structured course with classroom & online version a=
nd also a whole set of hands-on labs. To be frank, I would expect *some* de=
gree of support from the community on this. I'm taking a commercial risk, c=
reating something that that surely can only help ACS long term
I have offered/donated  20% of the places on the Santa Clara course to the =
community free of charge.

I am really  trying   to make sure that we respect the rules & governance o=
f the project (which I have to do carefully as we are a vendor  who primari=
ly  are about CloudStack). I think we've always managed to do that (if we h=
aven't, I would like to be told).


However, if there is a training course being run in our technology , then p=
eople should know about it; and it SHOULD be in a weekly news update IMO.
If the course was being run by somebody else, I would say the same thing.; =
I would want to know about it.  We should not refuse to mention it because =
somebody is making some money out of it.


I am not asking for endorsement, I am asking  to help communicate something=
 that people may find useful & want to purchase.


Kind Regards
Giles

D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
Sent: 02 May 2013 18:19
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Weekly News Items?

On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 12:14:41PM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Giles Sirett wrote:
> > Joe
> >
> > I'd like to add our upcoming CloudStack Bootcamp courses to the
> > news/events. (once Matt has made collab bold) However, they are
> > commercial offerings. Is that permissible  ?
>
> Maybe? I don't have a strong objection, as long as they're CloudStack
> specific and they're added with the same format as other events.
> Anyone else?

IMO, if the costs for attendance were only to cover the cost of doing the t=
raining, then I'd be fine.  I assume, however, that ShapeBlue is hoping to =
make a little profit from the training.  (If I'm wrong, correct me)  While =
I *love* that it's happening, and I hope that it goes well, and frankly lik=
e companies in our ecosystem to be profitable...
the project itself should not be endorsing commercial ventures.

Comments / flames?

-chip

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