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From: Kelcey Jamison Damage <kelcey@bbits.ca>
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Subject: Re: Packt Book - Publish on our website?
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Not to mention the book was reviewed by a committer before it was published=
 and also reviewed by 'a major cloudstack commercial consultant'

The two of us were content enough to have our names attached to it. And the=
 two entities have a fairly good reputation. I can't imagine this has anyth=
ing to do with the quality of work at this point but is primarily a politic=
al discussion.

I do think the fact I hammered into Packt the value of being a friend of th=
e community and following our rules, and product usage guidelines resulted =
in an offer to donate 2% of revenue to the project, is another strong gestu=
re of positivity.

A lot of time and effort went into this book from a community perspective a=
nd not a commercial one. Yes someone is making money, but at least Packt re=
ached out and got committers and community members to co-write/advise/edit =
the book prior to publication, and then after publication reached back out =
to the community. Those action have impressed me greatly.=20

I am not sure how assisting the community in locating print materials is ba=
d for us in any way.

Maybe I'm not seeing it correctly.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <runseb@gmail.com>
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: "Ilya Musayev" <imusayev@webmd.net>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:54:37 PM
Subject: Re: Packt Book - Publish on our website?


On May 24, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Chip Childers <chip.childers@sungard.com> wrot=
e:

> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 08:12:45PM +0000, Musayev, Ilya wrote:
>> Joe you have a good point.
>>=20
>> I guess the best solution is to exclude any books from the site. If you =
want to endorse a book,  do it on your blog.
>>=20
>> Fair to everyone. Good book will be noticed on amazon (or elsewhere)  an=
d praised by readers. We don't need to endorse good or bad books,  neither =
do we have to spend our time reviewing them and/or be responsible for any m=
istakes,  or hurt someone's feeling for not choosing their book.
>>=20
>> Best option in my opinion is to be neutral.
>=20
> Well summarized Ilya.
>=20
> I'm +1 on what Ilya is suggesting WRT the site itself. =20
>=20
> I think that we should feel free to highlight it in our project blog=20
> though...  we selectively note blog posts of interest there, as well=20
> as (for example) events like the upcoming ShapeBlue training courses. =20
> So we are already implicitly doing a little bit of editorial selection=20
> in that communication channel (with the goal of highlighting things we
> think might be of interest to readers).
>=20
> -chip

I am -1 on this (-1000 If I could)

Quite flabbergasted actually. What's wrong with a book icon on a webpage ?
Packt was nice enough to email us (not sure if this was PMC only).=20

Checking their book for sanity is a 10 minute deal, one evening if you want=
 to be thorough. We are not talking about editing it, we are talking about =
making sure its not a book about openstack with a cloudstack title=E2=80=A6=
or a XXX book, or a book written in a mix of english and french.

We can easily have a "sanity check" process on this list, with a lazy conse=
nsus vote. If we want we can force this vote to have at least one PMC vote.

On the webpage we can write a disclaimer that specifically says "this does =
not represent official endorsement by the Apache CloudStack project".

We are spending more time discussing it than it would take doing it. Having=
 the Packt book is terrific, there is no being neutral about this.

-Sebastien