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From "Musayev, Ilya" <>
Subject RE: [VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website
Date Tue, 28 May 2013 16:56:46 GMT

Perhaps I was not clear enough on my statement for -1.

I would strongly support committer or even a contributor efforts if they were to publish a
book. And it would be completely fair for it to be posted under ACS website. Why? Because
we are the body of Apache CloudStack Community. We collectively - people who actually participate
within CloudStack community and represent Apache CloudStack to some degree.

In regards to Packt book, without mentioning the names of each author. My background research
on both (i.e. google search author's name with cloudstack) barely yielded any results. For
the most part, I would see the promo of the book, with one mention of another author "not
being able to login to UI" posted on dev mailing list. THAT’S IT !!! 

What have they done for ACS Community (before they wrote a book) to be listed on ACS site?

My humble opinion, I'm ok with the book being on wiki with proper disclaimer, on the main
site - I don’t feel it’s the right thing to do and simply - not fair. 

If the authors used different alias - perhaps I'm wrong and I apologize, but it's not apparent
to me at the moment. 


PS:  I do see an overwhelming benefit of the book to educate new ACS users, and benefits at
this moment  may outweighs the negatives I've mentioned. I can lower my vote to "0", but I
would strongly suggest we revise this in the near future as more books come on board and we
just blindly promote books and let others profiteer from ACS efforts.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kelcey Jamison Damage []
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 5:03 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website
> FYI, the initial book was written by community members and committers in a
> collective effort...
> Could we have a more concrete reason on the -1 then 'does not seem like
> appropriate place'? It would be nice to know what your specific
> concerns/impacts are.
> Thanks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ilya Musayev" <>
> To:,
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 1:55:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website
> -1 Not in favor of having it on CloudStack Apache Site - does not seem like
> appropriate place - unless purely written as collective effort by ACS
> community members.
> +0 We have Wiki for variable content that is specifically created for
> documentation and education purposes. References to books - with large
> disclaimer - on wiki are more appropriate. Even so, on the wiki, we should be
> somewhat selective on what is posted there to avoid bad publications that
> misrepresent ACS - this is obviously long term vision.
> On 5/27/13 4:27 AM, "Sebastien Goasguen" <> wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >After a relatively long discussion on the marketing@ list about the
> >"Packt Book" [1] I would like to call a vote.
> >
> >Proposal:
> >----------------
> >I propose to list CloudStack related books on our website [2]. The page
> >listing these books would contain the following disclaimer:
> >
> >"This listing does not represent official endorsement by the Apache
> >CloudStack project. The Apache CloudStack project does not recommend
> >one book versus another nor does it guarantee the quality of the books."
> >
> >Inclusion of a book in the listing would be done via a vote on the
> >marketing@ list.
> >----------------
> >
> >As a quick summary, alternatives to this proposal were to:
> >1-not do anything
> >2-list the books on the wiki
> >
> >A few of us have already expressed their opinions and discussed the
> >possibilities. Check [1].
> >
> >Vote will be open for 96 hours (To accommodate Memorial day in the USA).
> >
> >Reply with:
> >
> >[ ] +1  approve
> >[ ] +0  no opinion
> >[ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> >
> >PS: If edits of the disclaimer are needed but that they do not change
> >the meaning of it, the disclaimer will be modified but the vote will
> >not be restarted.
> >
> >[1]
> >[2]
> >
> >-Sebastien

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