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From Kelly Hair <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website
Date Tue, 28 May 2013 22:56:49 GMT

I don't necessarily disagree in principle as I do think mind share is a
challenge. The other major Open Source cloud orchestration project has
many marketing dollars & vendors with vested interests behind it.  Just
because they have the money doesn't make it better but the marketing
dollars have led to mind share.  Obviously, that approach has a number of
issues ranging from upgrades to proprietary extensions/code that lock
users into one distro over another but I digressÅ 

I think the point of the discussion & vote is really "how do we increase
mind share?"  Everyone benefits from a richer community from the users, to
the companies selling integrations into CloudStack/product and on to
distributors of CloudStack.

So.. Perhaps it's not the right place to put on the main page.  Perhaps it
is a resources page or perhaps this a personal page.  What I'd love to
hear is more of "oh.. Yeah.. CloudStack - I've heard of that" rather than
"I've heard of [xyz project] but never heard of CloudStack".

To your point, maybe it does make sense to be more than just books.
However, that's for the community to decide.   Thanks for bringing up the


On 5/28/13 6:23 PM, "Musayev, Ilya" <> wrote:

>Just food for thought about ACS and profiteering, why don't we let anyone
>else advertise on ACS site or throw in their products and services?  In
>example, we don't mention Citrix CloudPlatform as the commercial offering
>for ACS, or another company that provides support and consultancy
>services - while those companies contribute heavily.
>While the book is certainly helpful, one must be fair to all players on
>the market, bending the rules for one VS another - is less than ideal.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chip Childers []
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:07 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website
>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 04:56:46PM +0000, Musayev, Ilya wrote:
>> > PS:  I do see an overwhelming benefit of the book to educate new ACS
>> users, and benefits at this moment  may outweighs the negatives I've
>> mentioned. I can lower my vote to "0", but I would strongly suggest we
>> revise this in the near future as more books come on board and we just
>> blindly promote books and let others profiteer from ACS efforts.
>> >
>> The ASF is specifically structured to support commercial use of it's
>> The license is designed to be commercially friendly on purpose.
>> Most of us are using the software within a commercial setting (a
>> a cloud provider (internal or external), consulting services, etc...).
>> is a good thing.
>> As for the vote:
>> I've been thinking more about this issue over the weekend.  There are 2
>> considerations for me:
>> 1) As a project, we want to continue to grow and diversify both users
>> and contributors.
>> Showcasing work in the ecosystem (books, software that integrated into
>> ACS, etc...) helps with that goal.
>> 2) As a project within the ASF, we want to ensure that our project
>> remains an open and equal environment.
>> There is ASF precedent to go either way with this, so there are no
>> issues procedurally or at the foundation level for us to be concerned
>> with really (beyond the overarching goal to remain open to all).
>> I'm +1 on adding this to the site.
>> -chip

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