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From Mathias Mullins <>
Subject Re: Weekly News Items?
Date Thu, 02 May 2013 18:22:32 GMT
I'm a +1 as well, I added a line for it under upcoming events with a link
back to the site.


On 5/2/13 11:14 AM, "Giles Sirett" <> wrote:

>Chip - thanks for that.
>+1 on including other announcements that include ACS news....  I am (
>probably  like you) in a privileged  position in that I know what a lot
>of what is going on in the commercial space around ACS.....  I know what
>SatckIQ are up to, I know what Citrix are up to ,I know what the other
>dozens of vendors are up to. There may be many folks in this community
>who are not as aware and may actually find it useful to know what people
>are doing.
>I really appreciate that this is getting into a very  murky area and will
>have to be carefully watched
>Kind Regards
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chip Childers []
>Sent: 02 May 2013 18:48
>Subject: Re: Weekly News Items?
>On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 05:38:46PM +0000, Giles Sirett wrote:
>> Chip, I've been very clear, this *is* a commercial offering, we will be
>>making money. ShapeBlue makes its money out of services around
>>Cloudstack. This is what we do to feed our kids.
>> These courses have been in development for some time, we have invested
>> time & money  in creating a structured course with classroom & online
>>version and also a whole set of hands-on labs. To be frank, I would
>>expect *some* degree of support from the community on this. I'm taking a
>>commercial risk, creating something that that surely can only help ACS
>>long term I have offered/donated  20% of the places on the Santa Clara
>>course to the community free of charge.
>> I am really  trying   to make sure that we respect the rules &
>>governance of the project (which I have to do carefully as we are a
>>vendor  who primarily  are about CloudStack). I think we've always
>>managed to do that (if we haven't, I would like to be told).
>> However, if there is a training course being run in our technology ,
>>then people should know about it; and it SHOULD be in a weekly news
>>update IMO.
>> If the course was being run by somebody else, I would say the same
>>thing.; I would want to know about it.  We should not refuse to mention
>>it because somebody is making some money out of it.
>> I am not asking for endorsement, I am asking  to help communicate
>>something that people may find useful & want to purchase.
>I want to be *very* clear that I'm not against community support for what
>you are doing.  The specific concern I had was about "endorsement" of a
>commercial "service" and the implication it would have for how we would
>treat commercial "product" announcements.
>However, looking back through past discussions on this topic, I believe
>the overriding point is that as long as we are consistent and open about
>inclusion, there are no problems.  As stated, this is a pointer to
>In fact, I think that we should consider pointing to product
>announcements that include CloudStack news as well (example: we could
>have pointed to when it was
>I'll sit down now...  +1 for adding it.
>Thanks for being patient as I got through my own muddled thoughts in full
>view of everyone... ;-)
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