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From Mathias Mullins <>
Subject Re: Weekly News Items?
Date Thu, 02 May 2013 17:47:50 GMT
So, to me honestly this sounds like we should just put this to a vote so
that we have a clear direction going forward?


On 5/2/13 10:38 AM, "Giles Sirett" <> wrote:

>Chip, I've been very clear, this *is* a commercial offering, we will be
>making money. ShapeBlue makes its money out of services around
>Cloudstack. This is what we do to feed our kids.
>These courses have been in development for some time, we have invested
>time & money  in creating a structured course with classroom & online
>version and also a whole set of hands-on labs. To be frank, I would
>expect *some* degree of support from the community on this. I'm taking a
>commercial risk, creating something that that surely can only help ACS
>long term
>I have offered/donated  20% of the places on the Santa Clara course to
>the community free of charge.
>I am really  trying   to make sure that we respect the rules & governance
>of the project (which I have to do carefully as we are a vendor  who
>primarily  are about CloudStack). I think we've always managed to do that
>(if we haven't, I would like to be told).
>However, if there is a training course being run in our technology , then
>people should know about it; and it SHOULD be in a weekly news update IMO.
>If the course was being run by somebody else, I would say the same
>thing.; I would want to know about it.  We should not refuse to mention
>it because somebody is making some money out of it.
>I am not asking for endorsement, I am asking  to help communicate
>something that people may find useful & want to purchase.
>Kind Regards
>D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chip Childers []
>Sent: 02 May 2013 18:19
>Subject: Re: Weekly News Items?
>On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 12:14:41PM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>> On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Giles Sirett wrote:
>> > Joe
>> >
>> > I'd like to add our upcoming CloudStack Bootcamp courses to the
>> > news/events. (once Matt has made collab bold) However, they are
>> > commercial offerings. Is that permissible  ?
>> Maybe? I don't have a strong objection, as long as they're CloudStack
>> specific and they're added with the same format as other events.
>> Anyone else?
>IMO, if the costs for attendance were only to cover the cost of doing the
>training, then I'd be fine.  I assume, however, that ShapeBlue is hoping
>to make a little profit from the training.  (If I'm wrong, correct me)
>While I *love* that it's happening, and I hope that it goes well, and
>frankly like companies in our ecosystem to be profitable...
>the project itself should not be endorsing commercial ventures.
>Comments / flames?
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