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From Giles Sirett <>
Subject RE: Packt Book - Publish on our website?
Date Sat, 25 May 2013 13:35:44 GMT
I've been following this thread very closely  for the last few days , but been travelling,
so not been able to jump in
I feel very strongly on this subject and is about to cause  me to have my first on-list rant
I think............

I think we are just plain crazy if we do not provide a link to this book. A clear link, not
buried in a blog.

Right now, we do not have the luxury of a vibrant ecosystem of books, events,education,integrating
 techs,etc   around this community (I know lots of people are working very hard, but its not
enough IMO) . Lets face it, we need more momentum and   lets face it, we NEED people to do
commercial things like this.
WE need to support these guys  however we can, within ASF rules.

These guys (I don’t know them) have taken time (and no doubt money) and put that into creating
a book about OUR technology .
This is a VERY good thing, this will help people learn our tech, this will encourage people
to get involved, it  is a sign of maturity to the outside world   and  we should be telling
the world about that, not trying to do some quasi-censorship because they may make a few dollars
out of it.

I'm sure the book will have some mistakes, it may even be a poor book by some peoples standards.
But it’s a book. About cloudstack. That is a VERY good thing. *IF* we ever get to the point
where we've got lots of competing books, then lets think about who's we list and in what order
at that point (or,even, if we continue to list at all)

Obviously we need to the "this is not directly endorsed, other books are available and your
home is at risk if you don’t keep up the repayments"  thing, but please, lets make sure
we support people doing things like this.

And, before anybody  calls me on this: yes, I believe  the same applies (currently) to training
courses, complementary technologies  or ANYTHING else that can help drive people into this

So, here is my proposal:
We SHOULD create an "external resources" page on the website as a place for anything that
has a commercial lilt.
That page should carry the health warning (i.e. we don’t endorse,etc)
That page should list books, training courses, complementary  techs -anybody who we can consider
a "partner" of ACS.

Under the framework of all things having the health warning (i.e. its clear that we're not
endorsing) , then we can go for lazy consensus style in order for something to be listed there.

Kind Regards

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-----Original Message-----
From: Kelcey Jamison Damage []
Sent: 24 May 2013 17:53
To:; Ilya Musayev
Subject: Re: Packt Book - Publish on our website?

well, we could always just put a link to the general search CloudStack results,

What is a committer were to write a book in conjunction with several other committers and
donate all proceeds the project, would we be interested in an official licensed book?

Just a thought.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ilya Musayev" <>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:08:00 PM
Subject: Re: Packt Book - Publish on our website?

I see both sides of the argument.

Positive side:
We need quality books and content to bring more people on board with ACS.

Negative side:
By mentioning a book on official ACS page, we are inderectly recommending the publication,
and if we begin being selective on what we recommend  (we dont want incompetent books), we
get ourself into a wrong business. Once the book is published in print - its not easy to pull
the books of the shelf, revise and reprint or discard them in trashbin, due to all costs involved.
Telling publisher your book sucks, has errors, or plain wrong - won't help with sunked in
costs, since they are not going to pull the book of the shelf post print - so bad press lives

Sebastian and Kelcey, im not against good content or books for ACS, im against hurting ACS
image by poor publishers and inturn  setting authors and publishers against us because their
book did not get mentioned on ACS page.
Unless you want to be indiscriminant and mention all books that have CloudStack in their title
and mention "we are not responsible for this content neither do we endorse it" (which may
cover us to some extent, but really does not help with bad/poorly written books).
Also imagine there are 20 books, who gets the spotlight  and who will be on the bottom? If
im author or publisher I want my book always to get the spotlight, like google search result
people tend to get fixated on the first 5.

Reason I proposed to stay neutral, is for us not to deal with all of the above.

How do you propose we deal with negative points above?

-------- Original message --------
From: Noah Slater <>
Subject: Re: Packt Book - Publish on our website?

On 24 May 2013 23:06, Sebastien Goasguen <> wrote:
> Not well enough apparently because I still don't get them.

Maybe you could list the opposing arguments and why you don't agree with them?

(Me repeating them is likely to just take us round in circles.)


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