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From Giles Sirett <>
Subject Re: Packt Book - Publish on our website?
Date Sat, 25 May 2013 21:11:35 GMT
+1 on option 3

This voting is getting TOO complicated

Kind Regards

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On 25 May 2013, at 22:00, "<>"
<<>> wrote:

I would vote for option 3,

Myself and other creators of external community supporting products have never asked for endorsement.
We simply seek acknowledgement.

Sent from my HTC

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From: "Kelly Hair" <<>>
To: "<>" <<>>
Subject: Packt Book - Publish on our website?
Date: Sat, May 25, 2013 12:54 PM

Wonder if it's best to come up with 3 options to vote yeah/nah on. Is it
too early to vote on?

I'm on a plane so may be missing the most recent on this thread.  Did see
before boarding on my mobile that Giles had a good suggestion of having an
"unendorsed/unofficial community" section of the page.

So.. options could be:
1) Do not create a list of external information sources.
2) Create an endorsed/official list of external information services
3) Create an unendorsed/"caveat emptor" list of external information

Agree with the concern of mind share Giles pointed out should option 1 win
out.  So, personally I'd vote no to option 1 but yes to both options 2 &

PS - apologies if this is repeat by the time I sync up!

On 5/24/13 3:01 PM, "Noah Slater" <<>>

On 24 May 2013 21:54, Sebastien Goasguen <<>>

Quite flabbergasted actually. What's wrong with a book icon on a
webpage ?

We've been over the opposing arguments several time in this thread.

Checking their book for sanity is a 10 minute deal, one evening if you
want to be thorough.

I think you underestimate how much time it takes to review a book for
quality. Or perhaps we have different interpretations of what a review
would comprise. Note that David spent several evenings on this (I believe)
before he found a problem.

We are spending more time discussing it than it would take doing it.
Having the Packt book is terrific, there is no being neutral about this.

Discussion-lead consensus-building is an important part of how we make
decisions. :) And it's up to the community to decide how neutral or
circumspect we wish to be about third-party resources.

On 24 May 2013 22:06, Kelcey Jamison Damage <<>>

I can't imagine this has anything to do with the quality of work at
point but is primarily a political discussion.

Yes, I believe we are talking about the general case here. (Note: not
"political" but "project".)

I do think the fact I hammered into Packt the value of being a friend of
the community and following our rules, and product usage guidelines
resulted in an offer to donate 2% of revenue to the project, is another
strong gesture of positivity.

Agreed. Similarly, when people donate to us, they get a mention on ‹ but nothing more. We never
endorse people in return for their contributions.

A lot of time and effort went into this book from a community
and not a commercial one. Yes someone is making money, but at least
reached out and got committers and community members to
co-write/advise/edit the book prior to publication, and then after
publication reached back out to the community. Those action have
me greatly.

I don't think anyone has any problem with people making money off the back
of CloudStack. Strikes me as a great thing!

I am not sure how assisting the community in locating print materials is
bad for us in any way.

The arguments have been covered a few times in this thread already.

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