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From "Kelcey Damage \(BT\)" <>
Subject RE: website idea
Date Tue, 05 Mar 2013 18:19:30 GMT
Ouch! :)

But yes I agree with your comments as well, and once we have a wireframe, we can better take
it to the slicing table(Film Reference) to get community feedback and quick changes to the

This is one area of CloudStack that will need to be treated like a business to be successful.
And I see no harm in engaging external help, provided no rules are broken. IE having art assets
and design donated.

I am going to see if anyone of my guys would be willing to submit a wireframe proposal, and
I hope we can get a few proposals out of the community at large. Heck a good PR move might
be to hold a website design contest.


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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Hinkle []
>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 10:10 AM
>Subject: Re: website idea
>Sorry I meant John nailed it.
>On Mar 5, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Mark Hinkle <> wrote:
>> I think Kelcey nails I think we have adopted the format of most Apache
>> sites but not sure that it provides a clear cut experience for each of
>> our there e
>> - Prospects - Potential users that come to and want to learn
>> screenshots, feature list, video webcast, case studies of successful
>> users etc.
>> - User - Resources for users including user guides, documentation,
>> support mechanisms, IRC logs etc.
>> - Developers - Users who want to extend or integrate with CloudStack
>> including developer guide, wiki links to integrated technologies (e.g.
>> Puppet Manifests, Chef Cookbooks, Nagios Plugins, etc.)
>> I think that should be a design point should lead each type of user
>> down the path. Right now we provide a smorgasbord and users of the
>> site pick their own adventure. Perhaps we should be more prescriptive
>> to help improve their success.  I know Sonny floated a design already
>> but I don't think it addressed these points specifically. Maybe we
>> could take the feedback from this thread and have him do a rough wire
>> frame and critique it to get to where we need to be.
>> Also I would be glad to donate a Crazy Egg or we could use Google
>> Analytics to figure out what people do on the site. Pre-Apache I knew
>> what things people used the most and helped make those things easier
>> to consume (screenshots, downloads and manuals where at the top of the
>> Mark
>> On 3/5/13 12:42 PM, "Kelceydamage@bbits" <> wrote:
>>> I agree 100%, this is why I pointed out that at my company te ratio
>>> of frontent Dev/artists to back end is 2.2:1. Marketing is a
>>> different world then technology development. And it's generally lead
>>> by distinctly seperate visionaries.
>>> We can not approach marketing and website appearance from a developer
>>> point of view. The wiki is for devs/users, the website is for
>>> sales(accept without any money) and marketing.
>>> I think researching similar sites is important, and if we get a
>>> mock-up I am more then happy to have my web guys critique it, and
>>> provide suggestions.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:05 AM, John Kinsella <> wrote:
>>>> First thought: "noooooooooooooooo!" ;)
>>>> Second thought: As ACS is a fairly major project and not a CI engine
>>>> (sorry, butŠ), our website has three purposes:
>>>> a) Get operational folks to want to try ACS
>>>> b) Get developers interested in contributing to ACS
>>>> c) Educate others about why ACS is so #@$@#$ awesome and they (or
>>>> their teams, or their companies) should be using it.
>>>> (feel free to expand/contrast on this)
>>>> So, with that said - From my experience, the stereotypical Twitter
>>>> Bootstrap sites do not say that to me. They say "this is a site that
>>>> was quickly set up by a developer so he could get back to something else."
>>>> There's not a single graphic element on inria's site - except for 2
>>>> buttons. Not pretty by any means, IMHO. I'm reminded of Ruby
>>>> projects or Github projects who think 15 lines in their is
>>>> AWESOME for their project's website.
>>>> Take a look at the other cloud provisioning project's site. Both
>>>> looks better and does a better job of communicating what it is.
>>>> Here's a few sites I've seen recently that I consider "pretty" and
>>>> "modern" sites:
>>>> - admittedly complicated
>>>> - probably bootstrap based, but at least
>>>> looks good IMHO
>>>> - Just pulled it up while looking through the ASF project list - not
>>>> bad!
>>>> One thing that we should probably do - look at the websites of other
>>>> players in the space - OnApp, Eucalyptus, VMWare, etc. Our site has
>>>> to play at that level, not a website built for an engineer looking
>>>> for a CI platform (sorry, butŠ)
>>>> I realize we need a site that's easy to manage and update, but let's
>>>> see if we can balance that with something that people remember.
>>>> John
>>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:11 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
>>>>> It's simple, yet modern.
>>>>> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some
>>>>> good thinking of categories would work well.
>>>>> -sebastien
>>>> Stratosec - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
>>>> o: 415.315.9385
>>>> @johnlkinsella

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