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From Ron Wheeler <>
Subject Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
Date Fri, 15 Mar 2019 17:46:57 GMT
That is written from the point of view of a developer.

 From someone who has no desire to ever see the code, let alone change 
it, EOL has a big impact.
In a normal project, in the period prior to EOL, the developers commit 
to fixing bugs and issuing security notices with resolutions.

Cloudstack will have a hard time gaining traction outside the companies 
that develop it, if EOL has no meaning.

I worry that the lack of control over the roadmap and the apparent lack 
of commitment to EOL means that, as good as Cloudstack may be, it is not 
a system for production use unless the user is prepared to take on the 
long-term maintenance at a moments notice and live with uncertainty 
about future viability.

A bit harsh but the conversation about EOL is disturbing.


On 3/15/19 11:04 AM, Giles Sirett wrote:
> Yes - I see your point
> I think the thing to bear in mind here is that there is no *formal* EOL for an ACS version
or branch - its open source - EOL effectively  means that people have lost the interest in
maintaining that branch.   If people see a demand for more releases on a branch in order to
maintain that branch  longer- then I'd think it unlikely that anybody here is going to say
>   maybe the wording in the wiki is misleading
> Kind regards
> Giles
> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
> @shapeblue
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Francois Nadeau <>
> Sent: 15 March 2019 12:49
> To:
> Cc: Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) <>
> Subject: Re: Any plan for 4.11 LTS extension ?
> I can only agree with Haijiao,  that 4.11 deserves a longer time span.
> Because many bugs are found naturally between the .0 and .1 of the next LTS release with
it's adoption.
> For us 4.11 could only be adopted with after several bugs needed
> to get resolved.   So if 4.11's support stops in July then it's time span
> was only 6 months from our perspective.
> -jfn
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 5:34 AM Wido den Hollander <> wrote:
>> On 3/15/19 10:20 AM, Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) wrote:
>>> Hi Giles,
>>>> I would *expect*  4.13.0 (LTS) to be released in Q2, which  will
>>>> supersede the 4.11 branch as the current LTS branch
>>> Are you confident that this schedule can be kept?
>>> 4.12 is still in RC right now, and I don't think it's a good idea to
>>> rush another major release in just 3 months...
>> 4.11.3 will be released first with some bugfixes to keep 4.11 a proper
>> release.
>> 4.12 needs to go out now so that we can test and prepare for 4.13. I'm
>> confident we can have a stable and proper 4.13 release as long as we
>> don't keep the window open for too long.
>> The major problem is having the master branch open for a long time,
>> features going in and people not testing it sufficiently.
>> By having a relatively short period between 4.12 and 4.13 we can catch
>> most bugs and stabilize for a proper LTS.
>> Wido

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