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From Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>
Subject Re: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions
Date Sun, 01 Apr 2018 03:19:42 GMT
Ya Mike, this is the way we have done it in the past and it works well.
Anyone interested can join us, and we will setup a call to review the talks
on a specific date. Then go from there.

Do we know what the second day will be yet?  I have to try to figure out a
venue (hackathon?) for a third day, but I need a date.

Will

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 7:16 PM Tutkowski, Mike, <Mike.Tutkowski@netapp.com>
wrote:

> Hi Ron,
>
> From what I understand, the CloudStack proposals will be mixed in with all
> of the ApacheCon proposals.
>
> In the past when I’ve participated in these CloudStack panels to review
> proposals, we had to compare each proposal against the others to arrive at
> a balance of topics (i.e. not all networking focused, not all XenServer
> focused, etc.) and to suggest improvements for proposals that we did not
> accept for other reasons.
>
> From what I understand (but Giles can comment further on this), we have a
> track at ApacheCon and will need to fill it with X number of presentations.
> To do this, it seems like a CloudStack-focused panel would be a good
> approach, but I am definitely open to another approach. We don’t want to
> exclude anyone (in or out of the CloudStack Community) who might like to
> provide input. Anyone who is interested would, of course, be free to join
> us in combing through the proposals.
>
> We don’t need to get started on this right away. The CFP just closed
> yesterday. Let’s wait for feedback from Giles (who is currently on
> vacation) and go from there.
>
> Thanks!
> Mike
>
> On 3/31/18, 6:59 AM, "Ron Wheeler" <rwheeler@artifact-software.com> wrote:
>
>     Is this a real concern?
>     Why would a large number of Apache contributors who are not interested
>     in Cloudstack (enough to outvote those "part of the Cloudstack
>     community") get involved as reviewers
>
>     Reviewing involves some commitment of time so I am hard pressed to
> guess
>     why some Apache contributor would volunteer to do the work in order to
>     veto a presentation that they have not yet seen or have no interest in
>     seeing.
>
>     Are we guaranteed a fixed number of hours of presentations or is the
>     review process part of the allocation of overall time?
>
>     On what basis can some group veto a presentation?
>     That would seem to be a very strong action and I would hope that it
>     requires a strong reason.
>
>     OTOH if a large??? number of Apache contributors (regardless of their
>     affiliation) say that a presentation has serious issues or very limited
>     interest, that would seem to be a red flag that the presentation
>     requires improvement or needs to be dropped in favour of another
>     Cloudstack presentation, if it can not be fixed.
>
>     We should also be aware that this is an opportunity to "market"
>     Cloudstack to the broader Apache community.
>     Outside reviewers might have valuable input into how presentations can
>     attract new adopters or be clearer to the broader DevOps community.
>     We also need to remember that we do have an active community and other
>     opportunities during the year to present presentations that do not get
>     selected for this conference.
>
>     If their is a real fear that a lot of "outsiders" are going to disrupt
>     the review process, a more reasonable response would seem to be to get
>     more reviewers from the community.
>
>     I have volunteered already.
>
>     Ron
>
>     On 30/03/2018 11:11 PM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote:
>     > Hi Rafael,
>     >
>     > It’s a little bit tricky in our particular situation. Allow me to
> explain:
>     >
>     > As you are likely aware, the CloudStack Collaboration Conference
> will be held as a track in the larger ApacheCon conference in Montreal this
> coming September.
>     >
>     > It is true, as you say, that anyone who wishes to do so can
> contribute to reviewing the CFP for ApacheCon.
>     >
>     > What is a bit of a concern, however, is that we might get certain
> CloudStack CFP proposals vetoed by people who are not, per se, a part of
> our community.
>     >
>     > That being the case, I have contacted the organizers for ApacheCon
> to see if there is some way we can section off the CloudStack CFP from the
> larger ApacheCon CFP for review purposes.
>     >
>     > Assuming we can do this, the panel that I am proposing here would
> handle this review task.
>     >
>     > I hope that helps clarify the situation.
>     >
>     > Thanks!
>     > Mike
>     >
>     > On 3/30/18, 8:38 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" <
> rafaelweingartner@gmail.com> wrote:
>     >
>     >      Are we going to have a separated review process?
>     >
>     >      I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a reviewer
> position and
>     >      start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have already
> reviewed some
>     >      CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review mines). After
> asking to
>     >      review presentations, Rich has giving me access to the system.
> I thought
>     >      everybody interest in helping was going to do the same.
>     >
>     >      [1]
> https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon-north-america-2018
>     >
>     >
>     >      On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io <me@swen.io>
> wrote:
>     >
>     >      > Hi Mike,
>     >      >
>     >      > congrats!
>     >      >
>     >      > I can help sort through presentations.
>     >      >
>     >      > Best regards,
>     >      > Swen
>     >      >
>     >      > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>     >      > Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:Mike.Tutkowski@netapp.com]
>     >      > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40
>     >      > An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; users@cloudstack.apache.org
>     >      > Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation
> Submissions
>     >      >
>     >      > Hi everyone,
>     >      >
>     >      > As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the
> CloudStack
>     >      > Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration
> Conference:
>     >      >
>     >      > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/
>     >      >
>     >      > Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight
> schedule with
>     >      > regards to the Call For Participation (CFP):
>     >      >
>     >      > https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html
>     >      >
>     >      > If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so
> before March 30th.
>     >      >
>     >      > That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small
> committee to sort
>     >      > through these presentation submissions.
>     >      >
>     >      > If you are interested in helping out in this process, please
> reply to this
>     >      > message.
>     >      >
>     >      > Thanks!
>     >      > Mike
>     >      >
>     >      >
>     >      >
>     >
>     >
>     >      --
>     >      Rafael Weingärtner
>     >
>     >
>
>     --
>     Ron Wheeler
>     President
>     Artifact Software Inc
>     email: rwheeler@artifact-software.com
>     skype: ronaldmwheeler
>     phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>
>
>
>

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