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From Ivan Kudryavtsev <kudryavtsev...@bw-sw.com>
Subject Re: CloudStack LTS EOL date?
Date Thu, 23 Nov 2017 09:25:45 GMT
Ok, guys, you know how to organize it better, I'm not full featured
developer, so just do my best.

23 нояб. 2017 г. 4:20 ПП пользователь "Daan Hoogland" <
daan.hoogland@gmail.com> написал:

> Ivan, don't do two sets of fixes. We will forwarfd merge from the 4.10
> branch to master
>
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Ivan Kudryavtsev <
> kudryavtsev_ia@bw-sw.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Hi, Paul.
> >
> > All my fixes to 4.10 are in pr:
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/2320
> >
> > I think it should be organized somehow with PR per bug, just don't have
> > enough time to do it with 4.10, but I sent all PRs for bugs found
> > separately to master with jira tickets and all-in-one PR to 4.10.
> >
> > 23 нояб. 2017 г. 4:06 ПП пользователь "Paul Angus" <
> > paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
> > написал:
> >
> > > I'll add 'update the downloads page' to the wiki update...
> > >
> > > But for the rest of Ivan's issues, sounds like we need a 4.10.1 as well
> > as
> > > a 4.11
> > >
> > > Are there fixes in the master branch for the issues that you are seeing
> > > Ivan (and are there bugs logged in Jira as blockers if not?)
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Paul Angus
> > >
> > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > > @shapeblue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Giles Sirett [mailto:giles.sirett@shapeblue.com]
> > > Sent: 23 November 2017 09:01
> > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > Subject: RE: CloudStack LTS EOL date?
> > >
> > > I agree Ivan
> > > http://cloudstack.apache.org/downloads.html makes no mention of LTS
> and
> > > provides no guidance on benefits of different versions
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > > Giles
> > >
> > > giles.sirett@shapeblue.com
> > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ivan Kudryavtsev [mailto:kudryavtsev_ia@bw-sw.com]
> > > Sent: 23 November 2017 01:45
> > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: CloudStack LTS EOL date?
> > >
> > > Hi, all. Previous reply to wrong thread. Copy here.
> > > According to Paul, everything looks ok, but I still feel the website
> > > content is lacking of the information. My belief that index should
> > clearly
> > > state:
> > >
> > > Current LTS 4.9 | updated 2017.11.12 (4.9.3) | EOL=2018.X.Y Previous
> LTS
> > > 4.X | updated 2017.04.01 (4.X.12) | EOL=2017.X.Y
> > >
> > > Current 4.10 | updated 2017.11.20 (4.10.1) | EOL=2018.05.Y
> > >
> > > The same is for download page. The reason is that some people don't
> need
> > > new, they need very proven. Other need supported and third group needs
> > > features.
> > >
> > > E.g. Right now we updated our proxmox nodes to latest stable and found
> > > windows 8 is no longer works as expected. Previous stable - ok. We
> rolled
> > > back. I mean that it could be a good way for a lot of users to see and
> > > realize what options they have. Even now, we still have 4.3 in
> production
> > > and happy.
> > >
> > > Right now, new person just downloads 4.10 and gets a lot of regressions
> > > and unstable code. You might have seen last day e-mail threads. Even
> > > templates created from snapshots are broken in 4.10 and it is
> > > critical/blocker bug.
> > > The user can meet the situation, that after a months when ssvm is
> > reloaded
> > > all users lost tons of templates.
> > >
> > > 22 нояб. 2017 г. 11:49 ПП пользователь "Will Stevens" <
> > > wstevens@cloudops.com>
> > > написал:
> > >
> > > Paul, I thought a 'big mouth' was a prerequisite for the RM position.
> > > Isn't that the only reason I was the 4.9 RM?  :P
> > >
> > > *Will Stevens*
> > > CTO
> > >
> > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Paul Angus <paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > HI All,
> > > >
> > > > The current LTS cycle is based on having an LTS release twice a year
> > > > (at the time of design, ACS releases were coming out monthly).
> > > >
> > > > So, twice a year (nominally, January and July) we take the then
> > > > current version of CloudStack, and declare that an LTS version, for
> > > > which would we would then backport fixes for a period of up to 2
> > > > years.  Thereby giving end users a version of CloudStack which would
> > > > receive bug fixes for an extended period.
> > > >
> > > > This year however, the current version in January was the same as the
> > > > current version in July, therefore 4.9 became the 'July' LTS as well
> > > > as January LTS and therefore 4.9 will be supported until summer 2019
> > > > (hence the 4.9.3 release)
> > > >
> > > > I and a number of my colleagues remain committed to continue to
> > > > support 'LTS' releases in this fashion (there just wasn't anything
> > > > really to 'announce' in July), which may be why people think that
> > > > nothing is happening.
> > > >
> > > > With 2 LTS releases a year (6 months apart), 'next LTS +6 months'
> > > > would only be 12 months from release.  Which I think is really too
> > > > short a
> > > period
> > > > for the majority of enterprises.  Although we haven't written it this
> > > > way, the current scheme gives a EOL of 'next LTS + 18 months'.
> > > >
> > > > So, I'm in favour of leaving things as they are.   The wiki page
> looks
> > > > like it needs updating to be clearer (I'm happy to do that)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But I DO think that we should start a new thread asking for a 4.11 RM
> > > > volunteer to get things going.   (I'm guessing y'all don't what my
> big
> > > > mouth in that position).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > >
> > > > Paul Angus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
> > > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Ivan Kudryavtsev [mailto:kudryavtsev_ia@bw-sw.com]
> > > > Sent: 21 November 2017 14:00
> > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: CloudStack LTS EOL date?
> > > >
> > > > Hello, it sounds very reasonable. The more lifecycle information the
> > > > better for adopters.
> > > >
> > > > 21 нояб. 2017 г. 8:56 ПП пользователь "Marc-Aurèle
Brothier -
> > > > Exoscale" < marco@exoscale.ch> написал:
> > > >
> > > > > It makes more sense to me too.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 2017-11-21 at 12:04 +0100, Rene Moser wrote:
> > > > > > Hi all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The current LTS release is 4.9 which is EOL in June 2018
> according
> > > > > > to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/LTS
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AFAIK there are no works planed for a new LTS. The release pace
> > > > > > has slown down (the high pace and leaving users behind fixes
was
> > > > > > the reason for the LTS).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am still pro LTS but in my opinion we should have defined
the
> > > > > > EOL in relation of the successor LTS release date: "The EOL
of
> the
> > > > > > current LTS is +6 months after the next LTS release."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Small example:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Current LTS 4.9
> > > > > > Next LTS 4.1x release on 01.04. --> LTS 4.9 is 01.10.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does this make sense? Other suggestions?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > René
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Daan
>

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