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From Erik Weber <terbol...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Modern template hosting
Date Sat, 04 Mar 2017 00:09:13 GMT
Feel free to do it, I wouldn't know where to begin to ask such a
question tbh :-)

-- 
Erik

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Will Stevens <williamstevens@gmail.com> wrote:
> Erik, yes I think this is the right approach and covers the main problem
> case. I can start the conversation with infra unless you would like to. Let
> me know.
>
> We did get some statistics from the other mirrors last year, but I don't
> think we ever had visibility into the cloud.com repository traffic.
>
> On Mar 3, 2017 6:42 PM, "Erik Weber" <terbolous@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It'll most likely only be an issue in the case where a mirror goes
> down without any immediate chance of getting back up, right?
> Could we check with ASF Infra beforehand if such case is OK to warrant
> an urgent Jira ticket to resolve - should it happen?
>
> We can document all the mirrors and provide the howtos for manually
> downloading and seeding the image as a backup.
>
> Do we have any traffic statistics for the current solution, or is that
> not available at S3?
>
> --
> Erik
>
> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:28 AM, Will Stevens <williamstevens@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Yes Erik, I agree with you. The only thing that could add complexity in
>> this is the fact that we don't control the domain, the ASF does (from what
>> I understand).  Do we expect this to be managed by ASF infra or would
> there
>> be another way? Ideally the domain is community controlled so we can adapt
>> in case of change without long delays.
>>
>> I am 100% in agreement that this is the shortest path and likely to be
> good
>> enough.
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2017 6:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <terbolous@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> IMHO; implement it as simple as possible, use DNS RR and assume/expect
>> mirror hosts to use the same path.
>>
>>
>> Yes I know; DNS RR isn't bulletproof, but as already mentioned in this
>> thread - mirrors rarely go down and they aren't used all that often
>> (primarily seeding).
>> We can keep a low TTL on the record so that we're able to remove a
>> mirror that goes down for a significant period of time (more than
>> hours).
>>
>> And yes I know, some operators might find it a burden having to set up
>> a new vhost with another document root, but tbh if they don't care
>> enough to do it we'll manage without that mirror.
>>
>> --
>> Erik
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:09 AM, Will Stevens <williamstevens@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I agree with Paul. Look at the list of things they have to
>>> learn/master/care about. We don't want to add to that list, we want to
>>> remove from that list. Make the project/product more accessible. Reduce
>> the
>>> barrier to entry...
>>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2017 5:50 PM, "Chiradeep Vittal" <chiradeepv@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seriously?
>>>> apt-get install apache2
>>>>
>>>> To install CloudStack, they need to know
>>>> - DB installation, perhaps some SQL
>>>> - VLAN configuration on their switches
>>>> - Ins-and-outs between port forwarding, static ips,
>>>> - NFS
>>>> - package management
>>>> - VHDs, qcow2. vmdk
>>>> - hyperviosrs
>>>> - and on and on.
>>>>
>>>> If they can figure all that out and not figure out a web server, they
> can
>>>> always come to the mailing list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Paul Angus <paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > The issue is not with supporting highly experienced cloud operators.
> It
>>>> is
>>>> > an issue for new users and other 'relatively' inexperienced operators.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have helped enough newbies and cloud operators who have been running
>>>> > their cloud for a while to know that the barriers to entry are too
> high
>>>> as
>>>> > they are. And telling anyone that they need to create a web server so
>>>> that
>>>> > they can add their initial template to get started or in order to
>> create
>>>> a
>>>> > new zone, just isn't going to fly.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm a huge advocate of the 'download.cloudstack.org' endpoint which
> the
>>>> > community can add/remove mirrors to or from for system VMs or built-in
>>>> > templates.  Can the same system be used for binary repos ? although
>> there
>>>> > is an added complication of redist vs no-redist there...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
>>>> > www.shapeblue.com
>>>> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>>>> > @shapeblue
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: Chiradeep Vittal [mailto:chiradeepv@gmail.com]
>>>> > Sent: 03 March 2017 18:28
>>>> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>>> > Subject: Re: Modern template hosting
>>>> >
>>>> > I do feel like this is early optimization. Mirrors rarely fail. I'd
>>>> expect
>>>> > a single web server hosted on Apache Infra without any monitors to
> fail
>>>> > more often than a mirror. We already expect Wido's systemvm repository
>> to
>>>> > be up all the time. And it has been. Similarly, I don't believe Nux's
>>>> > repository has ever been down. And if Accelerite wants to host on S3,
>>>> that
>>>> > one is pretty solid as well.
>>>> >
>>>> > This is an infrequent operation in a cloud. After the cloud is
>> installed,
>>>> > the download servers are only needed for a new zone. If we trust the
>> user
>>>> > to run a cloud, surely he/she can run a web server to serve some
>> built-in
>>>> > templates. And if her cloud is successful, she needs to figure out how
>> to
>>>> > host her templates anyway and not rely on 3rd parties.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Will Stevens <wstevens@cloudops.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > 1) If the legacy implementations do not support redirects, that does
>>>> > > cause a problem.  A potential solution in that case is to have the
>> web
>>>> > > server actually proxy the download, but that is not ideal and I
> would
>>>> > > like to avoid it if possible.  Thanks for bringing that up
> Chiradeep.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 2) I think we need to have a single URL which people can target.
>> Once
>>>> > > they make the switch to the new URL, we want the implementation to
> be
>>>> > > able to handle mirror failures without affecting the end client.  We
>>>> > > want to avoid the situation where an ACS user will ever have to
>> change
>>>> > > this URL more than once.  Mirror failures SHOULD NOT affect the ACS
>>>> > > users assuming there is still at least one mirror who can serve the
>>>> > requested resource.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > These are obviously my personal opinions and others will probably
>> have
>>>> > > differing opinions.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > *Will STEVENS*
>>>> > > Lead Developer
>>>> > >
>>>> > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Chiradeep Vittal
>>>> > > <chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > 1. If you are targeting legacy installations, they are not able to
>>>> > > > follow redirects. The line of code that added this capability was
>>>> > > > added on
>>>> > > 11/16.
>>>> > > > 2. If you trust the users to edit the database to change the URL,
>>>> > > > you can trust them to change it to anything. Just document a known
>>>> > > > list of good template locations.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Will Stevens <
> wstevens@cloudops.com
>>>
>>>> > > > wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > So the main issue I see with this is the following.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > This implementation is designed to target legacy installations
>>>> > > > > which
>>>> > > will
>>>> > > > > be affected when download.cloud.com disappears.  These people
>> will
>>>> > > need
>>>> > > > to
>>>> > > > > make a DB change to replace the 'download.cloud.com' with some
>>>> > > > > other
>>>> > > url
>>>> > > > > (maybe 'download.cloudstack.org').  Once the DB has been
> updated,
>>>> > > > > we
>>>> > > can
>>>> > > > > not expect anything else of the client, they need to be able to
>>>> > > > > just continue operation as they were without any need to rebuild
>>>> > > > > or upgrade their ACS.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > If we try to force the decision to the client, then we break the
>>>> > > > > legacy implementations.  Since the SSVM is likely going to be
> the
>>>> > > > > client in
>>>> > > some
>>>> > > > > cases, and since it does not already have the logic to handle
> the
>>>> > > > > 300 approach correctly, I feel like it is not a viable solution
>>>> > > > > for the
>>>> > > > legacy
>>>> > > > > deployments.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > In addition to that.  I don't think the client is in any better
>>>> > > position
>>>> > > > to
>>>> > > > > make the mirror decision than I am.  I am likely able to make a
>>>> > > > > more 'educated' decision than the client would be able to
> because
>>>> > > > > I can do different tests on the endpoint(s) before making a
> final
>>>> > decision.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Does this make sense or am I missing something obvious?
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > *Will STEVENS*
>>>> > > > > Lead Developer
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Rafael Weingärtner <
>>>> > > > > rafaelweingartner@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > I think I understood you, but I did not understand you.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Let me see if I can create an example to illustrate how we
>> could
>>>> > > > > > do
>>>> > > > using
>>>> > > > > > the HTTP 300 code.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > The HTTP 300 code indicates clients that he/she/it has
> multiple
>>>> > > choices
>>>> > > > > to
>>>> > > > > > access the requested resource. If the request is a HEAD, this
>> is
>>>> > > > > > the
>>>> > > > only
>>>> > > > > > thing that the server returns. If the request if a GET, then
>> the
>>>> > > server
>>>> > > > > > returns the choices for the client. The response type is
>> defined
>>>> > > > > > on
>>>> > > the
>>>> > > > > > server based on the Content-Type, user agent and others.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Let’s say the server receives a GET request and informs the
>>>> > > > content-type
>>>> > > > > as
>>>> > > > > > JSON (application/JSON). Your application could get the
> mirrors
>>>> > > > > > list,
>>>> > > > do
>>>> > > > > > the appending process for the requested resource path, and
> then
>>>> > > return
>>>> > > > a
>>>> > > > > > JSON array with the possible mirror the client can use. Then,
>>>> > > > > > the
>>>> > > > client
>>>> > > > > > gets this list and does the processing required to select a
>>>> mirror.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Now let’s say that a human access the link using a browser.
>>>> > > > > > Then, the server should receive something like (text/plain) as
>>>> > > > > > the
>>>> > > content-type;
>>>> > > > I
>>>> > > > > > think depending on the browser this field may differ a little
>>>> > > > > > (it
>>>> > > would
>>>> > > > > > require some checking). Anyways, the server detects that it is
>> a
>>>> > > > “human”
>>>> > > > > > requesting the resource, then we could serve an HTML page with
>> a
>>>> > > > > Javascript
>>>> > > > > > that uses the mirror list. This Javascript could do some
>>>> > > > > > checking and choose the best mirror for that specific.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Why do I think this approach is interesting?
>>>> > > > > > The application you developed would be used only to retrieve
>>>> > > > > > valid
>>>> > > and
>>>> > > > > > trusted sources of system VM images (a trusted repository for
>>>> > > > > > mirrors
>>>> > > > > that
>>>> > > > > > we as a community vouch for).  Also, we shift the decision
>>>> > > > > > process regarding mirrors from the server to the client. Then,
>>>> > > > > > it is up to
>>>> > > > > clients
>>>> > > > > > to select mirrors, and not up to us (or some of our
>>>> > implementations).
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Did this help?
>>>> > > > > > BTW: I am not saying I am against the way you proposed, which
>>>> > > > > > would
>>>> > > > work
>>>> > > > > > fine. It is merely a suggestion using a different perspective.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Will Stevens <
>>>> > > > williamstevens@gmail.com>
>>>> > > > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > @rafael: in general, I don't think the client should ever be
>>>> > > making a
>>>> > > > > > > choice about a mirror. We have to assume we are working with
>> a
>>>> > > > scripted
>>>> > > > > > > application and anything hard coded in that implementation
> on
>>>> > > > > > > the
>>>> > > > > client
>>>> > > > > > > side is a risk.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > I may not be understanding the use of the 300 approach, so I
>>>> > > > > > > will
>>>> > > > > > research
>>>> > > > > > > it to see if I can make it fit.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > On Mar 3, 2017 9:59 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" <
>>>> > > > > > rafaelweingartner@gmail.com>
>>>> > > > > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > Will great job.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > I had the same doubt as Daan.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > Have you considered using HTTP 300 working mode? Then, we
>>>> > > > > > > could let
>>>> > > > the
>>>> > > > > > > client decide which mirror is the best(closest?). Section
>>>> > “10.3.1”
>>>> > > of
>>>> > > > > [1]
>>>> > > > > > > talks about it; this would put the pressure on deciding upon
>> a
>>>> > > mirror
>>>> > > > > on
>>>> > > > > > > the client side, but I think it would be fair.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > [1] https://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > PS: You really like very short variables names!
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:24 AM, Daan Hoogland <
>>>> > > > > > daan.hoogland@shapeblue.com
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > Nice little thing Will,
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > One question: if I read the code correctly it ‘go’es and
>>>> > > > > > > > tries
>>>> > > all
>>>> > > > > > > mirrors
>>>> > > > > > > > at once and whichever responses first is redirected to the
>>>> > > client.
>>>> > > > > This
>>>> > > > > > > > might well be the same every time. This might be the one
>>>> > > > > > > > closest
>>>> > > to
>>>> > > > > the
>>>> > > > > > > > mirror302 and not to the client. Is that correct or did I
>>>> > > > > > > > miss a
>>>> > > > > > weighing
>>>> > > > > > > > algorithm hidden in there?
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > Good coding,
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > On 03/03/17 00:23, "Will Stevens" <swill@apache.org>
> wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     Hey All,
>>>> > > > > > > >     Please review this repo and tell me what you think:
>>>> > > > > > > >     https://github.com/swill/mirror302
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     Let me know if you have questions or you would like me
>>>> > > > > > > > to
>>>> > > make
>>>> > > > > > > changes
>>>> > > > > > > >     before I bring this topic up with ASF Infra and open a
>>>> > > > > > > > ticket
>>>> > > > to
>>>> > > > > > get
>>>> > > > > > > > this
>>>> > > > > > > >     implemented.
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     Cheers,
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     *Will Stevens*
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Will Stevens <
>>>> > > > > > wstevens@cloudops.com
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     > I am building a short term solution right now.  I
>>>> > > > > > > > hopefully
>>>> > > > > will
>>>> > > > > > > > have the
>>>> > > > > > > >     > building blocks in place by the weekend so we can
>>>> > > > > > > > start
>>>> > > > working
>>>> > > > > > > with
>>>> > > > > > > > Infra
>>>> > > > > > > >     > to get it in place.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >
>>>> > > > > > > >     > We will have a web server which we can point
>> something
>>>> > like
>>>> > > > > > > >     > downloads.cloudstack.org (or whatever url) at.  Then
>>>> > > > > > > > we
>>>> > > will
>>>> > > > > > have
>>>> > > > > > > > an ASF
>>>> > > > > > > >     > repo which tracks a mirror list and exposes a static
>>>> > > > > > > > site
>>>> > > to
>>>> > > > be
>>>> > > > > > > able
>>>> > > > > > > > to
>>>> > > > > > > >     > query the mirror list.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >
>>>> > > > > > > >     > The web server will receive a request and will do a
>>>> > > > > > > > 302
>>>> > > > > redirect
>>>> > > > > > to
>>>> > > > > > > > the
>>>> > > > > > > >     > appropriate resource on one of the mirrors.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >
>>>> > > > > > > >     > This gets us started.  Legacy environments will have
>>>> > > > > > > > to do
>>>> > > a
>>>> > > > DB
>>>> > > > > > > > change to
>>>> > > > > > > >     > change from 'download.cloud.com' to '
>>>> > > > downloads.cloudstack.org'
>>>> > > > > > (or
>>>> > > > > > > >     > whatever), but otherwise it should be pretty simple.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >
>>>> > > > > > > >     > We can improve how we deliver templates going
>> forward,
>>>> > > > > > > > but
>>>> > > > this
>>>> > > > > > > > obviously
>>>> > > > > > > >     > requires some discussion still.  I will try to buy
> us
>>>> > > > > > > > some
>>>> > > > time
>>>> > > > > > > with
>>>> > > > > > > > an
>>>> > > > > > > >     > implementation which solves our problems today...
>>>> > > > > > > >     >
>>>> > > > > > > >     > *Will STEVENS*
>>>> > > > > > > >     > Lead Developer
>>>> > > > > > > >     >
>>>> > > > > > > >     > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >
>>>> > > > > > > >     > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Abhinandan Prateek <
>>>> > > > > > > >     > abhinandan.prateek@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > >     >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> Initial seeding is a manual step and that is not
>>>> > > > > > > > going to
>>>> > > > > change
>>>> > > > > > > in
>>>> > > > > > > > near
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> future. A handy list of official places from where
>>>> > > > > > > > these
>>>> > > > > > templates
>>>> > > > > > > > can be
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> downloaded won’t harm this part of the
> installation.
>>>> > > > > > > > Just
>>>> > > > > allow
>>>> > > > > > > > anyone
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> credible who follows democratic process to publish
>>>> > > > > > > > their
>>>> > > > > > templates
>>>> > > > > > > > with
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> apache’s blessings.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> Coming to urls hard coded in db, the popular
>>>> > > > > > > > suggestion is
>>>> > > > to
>>>> > > > > > > point
>>>> > > > > > > > them
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> to mirrors. This looks good but this is going to
>> take
>>>> > > > > > > > some
>>>> > > > > > effort
>>>> > > > > > > > that has
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> not materialised yet. Once this change is made it
>>>> > > > > > > > will be
>>>> > > > > going
>>>> > > > > > in
>>>> > > > > > > > some
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> future release like 4.11; the problem still remains
>>>> > > > > > > > for
>>>> > > the
>>>> > > > > > > > releases that
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> are already out there. In case access to
>>>> > > download.cloud.com
>>>> > > > > is
>>>> > > > > > > > dropped
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> at some point we will have to document the
> procedure
>>>> > > > > > > > such
>>>> > > > that
>>>> > > > > > > > people know
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> how to make these stable releases work. That is
>> where
>>>> > > > > > > > the
>>>> > > > > > > procedure
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> documented here https://shankerbalan.net/blog/
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> seed-cloudstack-templates-offline/ should be
>>>> > > > > > > > officially
>>>> > > > > adapted
>>>> > > > > > > > with a
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> marketplace to pick up templates of choosing. Maybe
>>>> > > > > > > > we can
>>>> > > > > have
>>>> > > > > > a
>>>> > > > > > > > pre-setup
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> script to make choices instead of written wiki.
> Note
>>>> > > > > > > > that
>>>> > > > this
>>>> > > > > > > will
>>>> > > > > > > > be
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> anyway needed by the older releases.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> On 01/03/17, 4:24 PM, "Paul Angus" <
>>>> > > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com>
>>>> > > > > > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > >     >>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >-1
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >We are trying to get MORE people to use
> CloudStack.
>>>> > > > > > > > And
>>>> > > > > > raising
>>>> > > > > > > > the
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> barrier to entry does nothing to help that.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >Kind regards,
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >Paul Angus
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >paul.angus@shapeblue.com
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >www.shapeblue.com
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N
> 4HSUK
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >@shapeblue
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >-----Original Message-----
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:
>> abhinandan.prateek@
>>>> > > > > > > shapeblue.com]
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >Sent: 01 March 2017 09:39
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >Subject: Re: Modern template hosting
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >+1
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >After seeing this discussion running in circles
>>>> > > > > > > > several
>>>> > > > > times,
>>>> > > > > > I
>>>> > > > > > > > think
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> we should at least get started with the simplest
>>>> option.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >On 27/02/17, 11:54 PM, "Chiradeep Vittal" <
>>>> > > > > > chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>>>> > > > > > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>The alternative foolproof way is to simply not
>>>> > > > > > > > provide
>>>> > > the
>>>> > > > > > > > automatic
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>download.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>Just document the mirror list URL where the
>>>> > > > > > > > templates
>>>> > > can
>>>> > > > be
>>>> > > > > > > > found. I
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>don't know why people reject this option.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>https://shankerbalan.net/blog/seed-cloudstack-
>>>> > > > > > > templates-offline/
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Will Stevens
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >><williamstevens@gmail.com>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> OK. Thanks for the heads up.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> On Feb 27, 2017 1:08 PM, "Chiradeep Vittal" <
>>>> > > > > > > > chiradeepv@gmail.com>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > Sounds workable. The downloader code in the
>>>> > > > > > > > SSVM
>>>> > > won't
>>>> > > > > > > follow
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > redirects I think.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/blob/
>>>> > > > > > > 5511065fc20787619d
>>>> > > > > > > > 9cd0444
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > a65a3 155fc9c921/core/src/com/cloud/
>>>> > > storage/template/
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > HttpTemplateDownloader.java#L93
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > https://goo.gl/dSi0r5
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> >  Might need to add
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > client.setRedirectStrategy(new
>>>> > > LaxRedirectStrategy());
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Will Stevens
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > <wstevens@cloudops.com>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > We haven't opened a ticket yet because we
>>>> > > > > > > > don't
>>>> > > > have a
>>>> > > > > > > > strategy
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> yet.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > What do you guys think of this:
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > - We setup a new github repo in the
> 'apache'
>>>> > > > > > > > org
>>>> > > > which
>>>> > > > > > > > consists
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > of a
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > single
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > file with a list of active/supported
>> mirrors.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > - I write a small web server, distributed
> as
>>>> > > > > > > > a
>>>> > > > binary,
>>>> > > > > > > > which can
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > be
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > hosted
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > by ASF Infra.  This web server will query
>> the
>>>> > > > current
>>>> > > > > > list
>>>> > > > > > > > of
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > mirrors
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> and
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > will select one and then do a 302 redirect
>> to
>>>> > > > > > > > that
>>>> > > > > > mirror.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > The act of 'choosing' a mirror could be
> done
>>>> > > > > > > > in a
>>>> > > > > number
>>>> > > > > > > of
>>>> > > > > > > > ways.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > - If we want to define an order, then it
>>>> > > > > > > > could
>>>> > > just
>>>> > > > > try
>>>> > > > > > > > from the
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > top of
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > the
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > list and work its way down.  It would curl
>>>> > > > > > > > the
>>>> > > > target
>>>> > > > > to
>>>> > > > > > > > make
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > sure it
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > gets
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > a 200 and if it does, it would do a 302
>>>> > redirect.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > - Or, if we want to distribute the load
>>>> > > > > > > > across the
>>>> > > > > > > mirrors,
>>>> > > > > > > > we
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > could
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> pick
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > from the list randomly.  Again, doing a
> curl
>>>> > > > > > > > to
>>>> > > > verify
>>>> > > > > > the
>>>> > > > > > > > mirror
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > is up
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > and
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > then doing a redirect.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > - If we want to get fancy, we could do a
>>>> > > > > > > > reverse
>>>> > > IP
>>>> > > > > > lookup
>>>> > > > > > > > and
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > try to
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > match
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > the requester with their closest
>> geographical
>>>> > > > mirror.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > Thoughts?
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > *Will STEVENS*
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > Lead Developer
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Chiradeep
>>>> > > Vittal <
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> chiradeepv@gmail.com
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > What steps are needed to set up a mirror?
>>>> > > > > > > > What
>>>> > > > does
>>>> > > > > > > Infra
>>>> > > > > > > > need
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> to do?
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > Has
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > anybody filed a ticket with Infra?
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 10:17 PM, Raja
>>>> > Pullela <
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > raja.pullela@accelerite.com>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Hi will,
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > I believe, we didn’t get to close
>>>> > > > > > > > ‘getting a
>>>> > > > > mirror
>>>> > > > > > on
>>>> > > > > > > > Apache’
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > because
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > we
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > needed someone on the Apache Infra side
>>>> > > > > > > > to
>>>> > > close
>>>> > > > > > this.
>>>> > > > > > > > BTW,
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > cloudstack-apt.get.eu (I think Nux
>>>> > > > > > > > manages
>>>> > > > this?)
>>>> > > > > > has
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > all/most of
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > the
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > content.  Once we can close on the
>> Apache
>>>> > > mirror
>>>> > > > > for
>>>> > > > > > > > hosting
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > the
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > content, I
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > can help assist getting the content
>> there.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > For now, we have replicated the
>>>> > > > > download.cloud.com
>>>> > > > > > > > content to
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > ‘ s3.download.accelerite.com’.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Also, we are working on a set of
>>>> > > steps/procedure
>>>> > > > > to
>>>> > > > > > > > help with
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > this change.  I will update everyone in
>>>> > > > > > > > about
>>>> > > a
>>>> > > > > > week’s
>>>> > > > > > > > time
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > on the
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > details.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Best,
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Raja Pullela
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Engineering Team,
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Accelerite, 2055 Laurelwood Road, Santa
>>>> > > > > > > > Clara,
>>>> > > > CA,
>>>> > > > > > > 95054
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > On 2/24/17, 11:23 PM, "
>>>> > > williamstevens@gmail.com
>>>> > > > > on
>>>> > > > > > > > behalf of
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Will Stevens" <williamstevens@gmail.com
>>>> > > > > > > > on
>>>> > > > behalf
>>>> > > > > > of
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > wstevens@cloudops.com>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > unfortunately the template mirror
>>>> > > > > > > > conversation
>>>> > > > got
>>>> > > > > > > > caught up
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > in
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > details
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > and
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > nobody took the lead on implementing a
>>>> > > solution.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > citrix has been pinging me every couple
>>>> > > > > > > > months
>>>> > > > to
>>>> > > > > > say
>>>> > > > > > > > 'dude,
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > we
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> need
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > to
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > remove the dependency on
>>>> > > > > > > > download.citrix.com
>>>> > > ',
>>>> > > > > but
>>>> > > > > > i
>>>> > > > > > > > have not
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > had
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > the
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > cycles to get in and solve the problem.
>>>> > > > > > > > the
>>>> > > > > > shutdown
>>>> > > > > > > > of that
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > is
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > imminent
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > right now, so we need to solve it asap.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > *Will STEVENS*
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > Lead Developer
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Paul
>>>> > Angus <
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Hi Nathan,
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Ideally, if you put the template
>>>> > > > > > > > location in
>>>> > > > (or
>>>> > > > > > use
>>>> > > > > > > a
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > template
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > defined
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > in)  test_data.py then the actual
>>>> > > > > > > > location
>>>> > > can
>>>> > > > > be
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > overridden by
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > anyone
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > testing.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > For Trillian, we've copied all of the
>>>> > > > templates
>>>> > > > > > that
>>>> > > > > > > > people
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > have
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > define
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > to
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > a local repo and then replace the
> URLs
>>>> > > > > > > > in test_data.py to
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > reduce
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > bandwidth
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > use and download times.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Ie:
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >             "bootableIso":
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                 {
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "displaytext":
>> "Test
>>>> > > > > Bootable
>>>> > > > > > > > ISO",
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "name":
> "testISO",
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "bootable": True,
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "ispublic":
> False,
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "url": "{{
>>>> > > > > > > marvin_images_location
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > }}/TinyCore-current.iso",
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "ostype": 'Other
>>>> Linux
>>>> > > > > > > (64-bit)',
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >                     "mode":
>>>> > 'HTTP_DOWNLOAD'
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >         },
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > I thought that we had come up with a
>>>> > > solution
>>>> > > > > for
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > download.cloud.com
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > ,
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > by
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > having a mirrorlist hosted in
>> Community
>>>> > > Apache
>>>> > > > > > > > 'space' with
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> anyone
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > able
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > to
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > out themselves forward as a mirror.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > But I must admit I lost track of
>>>> > > > > > > > whether
>>>> > > > anyone
>>>> > > > > > made
>>>> > > > > > > > the
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> requisite
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > changes
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > in code....
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Kind regards,
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Paul Angus
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > paul.angus@shapeblue.com
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > www.shapeblue.com
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden,
>> London
>>>> > > WC2N
>>>> > > > > > 4HSUK
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > @shapeblue
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > From: williamstevens@gmail.com
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > [mailto:williamstevens@gmail.com]
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > On
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Behalf Of Will Stevens
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Sent: 24 February 2017 16:30
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Subject: Re: Modern template hosting
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > this is a hard questions.  in
> general,
>>>> > > > > > > > we
>>>> > > > should
>>>> > > > > > be
>>>> > > > > > > > setting
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > up a
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > mirror
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > on
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > some cloudstack/apache domain and
> then
>>>> > > mirror
>>>> > > > to
>>>> > > > > > > other
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > provided
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > templates.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > we MUST come up with a solution to
>>>> > deprecate
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > 'download.cloud.com
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> ',
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > that
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > is going to be going away any day
> now.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > i don't know the right way to solve
>>>> > > > > > > > this to
>>>> > > be
>>>> > > > > > > > honest, but
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > if you
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > have
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > ideas, i am willing to help.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > *Will STEVENS*
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Lead Developer
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:25 AM,
>>>> > > > > > > > Nathan
>>>> > > > > Johnson <
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> njohnson@ena.com
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > So not to re-open a can of worms,
>> but
>>>> > > > > > > > I’m
>>>> > > > in a
>>>> > > > > > > > situation
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > where
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> I
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > need
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > to come up with a Marvin component
>>>> > > > > > > > test
>>>> > > that
>>>> > > > > > > > depends on a
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > template
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > based on a kernel that’s relatively
>>>> > > > > > > > new,
>>>> > > > i.e.,
>>>> > > > > > > > newer than
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> Centos
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > 5.3
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > /
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > Ubuntu 10.04 .
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > I see openvm.eu has a suitable
>>>> > > > > > > > template
>>>> > > > > (Ubuntu
>>>> > > > > > > > 16.0.4
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > for
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> KVM),
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > but
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > from looking at the thread
>> "Migrating
>>>> > > > > CloudStack
>>>> > > > > > > > content
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > from download.cloud.com” it looks
>>>> > > > > > > > like
>>>> > > > there
>>>> > > > > is
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > resistance to using
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > this
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > at
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > least for hosting system vm
>> templates
>>>> > > > > > > > over
>>>> > > > > > > concerns
>>>> > > > > > > > of
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > neutrality.
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > Would this be suitable for a
>>>> > > > > > > > component
>>>> > > test?
>>>> > > > > If
>>>> > > > > > > > not,
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > what is a
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > “blessed”
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > template location?
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > Thanks in advance!
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > Nathan Johnson
>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > > R&D Engineer
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>>>> > > > > > > >     >> >>> > > > > > >
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>>>> > > > > > > >     >> www.shapeblue.com
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